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Red__system t1_it90ar8 wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in Bad Dog, Me, Ink, 2022 by franciscoaldeao

Well there it is, the stupidest thing I’ve read/seen so far today. I hope this is satirical. Cool story tho.

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Bashcypher t1_it95nva wrote

Its unequivocally proven that genetic disorders and genetic breeding for violence create the occasional dog that needs to be put down. Look up pitbulls that cant stop chasing their tail. High prey drive. Rage syndrome.

You should read up.

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Luigihiji t1_it95cma wrote

there's no coincidence that two breeds make up most of the human deaths (like 70%) and literally every other breed makes up the other 30

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Time-Wait t1_itaes5s wrote

Can you please provide data for this assertion?

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Luigihiji t1_itahi1a wrote

Just Google "dog kills by breed"

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Time-Wait t1_itaiv11 wrote

I just did. So the answer is no you can’t .

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Luigihiji t1_itamhk8 wrote

literally the first thing that comes up but ok

Rottweilers and pit bulls account for 76% of fatalities since 2016. I under shot it

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Time-Wait t1_itb6rdj wrote

Where is the Doberman on this list?

Breed Deaths % of Total

Pit bull 284 65.6%

Rottweiler 45 10.4%

German shepherd 20 4.6%

Mixed-breed 17 3.9%

American bulldog 15 3.5%

Mastiff/Bullmastiff 14 3.2%

Husky 13 3.0%

Unknown/unreleased 11 2.5%

Labrador retriever 9 2.1%

Boxer 7 1.6%

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Luigihiji t1_itcge8o wrote

Irrelevant. We are talking about rottweilers and pit bulls. This is not the only article going over these numbers and the fact you can't find any tells me you're just dense

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the_original_Retro t1_itbl0m5 wrote

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Is it because the dog in the pic is a doberman? How is that a contribution to the overall argument here?

That doberman was almost certainly selected by the artist because dobermans are very much perceived as "guard dogs" and employed in that role. They wanted a vicious-looking dog to represent the point, and got one.

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SwiggityStag t1_it991pe wrote

Can't possibly be that those specific breeds are the ones usually chosen by people seeking to train a dog to be aggressive...

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aioncan t1_itaivht wrote

You’re absolutely right. There’s no way genetics have an effect on dog behavior

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the_original_Retro t1_itbkmiv wrote

It's a two part problem dude.

People that want to be the "alpha" owner of an animal companion that accentuates their tough-guy image or in their mind offers them the security of helping to defend their home are absolutely part of the problem.

The breed of dog and its greater susceptibility to overly brutal attacks is the other contributor.

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SwiggityStag t1_itbol95 wrote

Oh yeah no doubt that the breed is capable of doing a ton of damage, but they can also be trained properly to be docile from an early age by an experienced owner, which happens to not be the demographic pit bulls are most popular with.

There are other breeds that could do a lot of damage and tend to have an aggressive temperament if they're not trained properly. For example, German Shepherds are bred for jobs that require aggression, and you're almost twice as likely to die if you're attacked by a German Shepherd due to the pulling and tearing action they're bred for. However, they're not popular for dog fighting, and they fell out of popularity as guard dogs too for various reasons, and people generally understand that they're not a dog for inexperienced owners.

While what the breed is capable of is definitely a factor, I think if it was mainly about the damage a dog can do and the nature of the jobs they were bred for, we'd be seeing a lot more attacks from guard dog and hunting dog breeds.

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the_original_Retro t1_itbvjxt wrote

I agree with your some of your points but not with others.

There are documented attacks by some extremely well trained pit bulls from loving families that focused on discipline and good rearing. The issue is ALSO GENETIC. Sometimes that cannot be overcome by any amount of training.

And I don't agree about your listing of hunting dogs in the same category of guard dogs. I have many friends with retriever hunting animals. They are not the same as guard dogs in either breed or function. I don't know enough without research to talk about general temperament, and can only speak anecdotally on this so will refrain.

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SwiggityStag t1_itc2bii wrote

Pretty much any breed has had incidents where a well trained, well cared for dog can bite. Even family labradors have cases like that. Usually they're caused by high stress situations, pain or illness, not some random decision to become violent for the sake of it. Maybe some breeds have an inclination to be more short tempered, but that doesn't mean that they're attacking for no reason. It just means that they need an owner who understands how to handle their dog in those situations.

I included hunting dogs because certain breeds of dogs bred for actual killing of prey animals can be fairly aggressive. Jack Russel Terriers for example are among some of the highest rates of aggression as a breed, but because of their size they can't do a lot of damage to a human. They do harm a lot of other dogs and pets in general when not properly trained though, which is why a good owner will make sure to introduce them to other dogs at an early age.

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the_original_Retro t1_itc330n wrote

>It just means that they need an owner who understands how to handle their dog in those situations.

Proven incorrect many times over.

I'm sorry you don't understand this. There is no such thing as 100% perfect discipline in all possible situations, and not everyone uses a 100% effective restraining mechanism all the time for 100% of the dog's life. That just isn't reality.

And some breeds are more susceptible to breaking discipline than others.

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SwiggityStag t1_itc3sol wrote

No, there's no such thing as a 100% chance of prevention for anything, but there's mostly preventable. There's still a chance that your perfectly docile family dog will get stressed and bite regardless of breed. You can lower that chance by choosing a breed of dog you're able to deal with, training it properly and being aware of its needs.

Different breeds require different levels and styles of discipline, that's why certain breeds of dog aren't good for inexperienced owners, and every dog has boundaries that need to be respected. That doesn't make them "bad".

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userhasleftchat t1_itc2ton wrote

Hey, sorry for the rude initial comment. I think I woke up crankier than usual tbh. Read my other comments on this post.

I’m actually genuinely curious to know the intent behind the piece. I should have led with that, so I do apologize again.

Also, not sure why you got so many downvotes.

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