Financial-Agency3322 t1_iujof2b wrote on October 31, 2022 at 8:58 PM

Reply to comment by excusetheblood in What is morality in the absence of religion? by mambosun_

Every action done by every person all day long is done with a mind for potential reward or potential punishment. It is quite literally unavoidable, down to the most secular of cultures.

excusetheblood t1_iujp58i wrote on October 31, 2022 at 9:03 PM

If an atheist gives his money or food to a homeless person, what reward is he expecting? What orders to be a decent person is he following? What punishment is he fearful of?

Financial-Agency3322 t1_iujphfi wrote on October 31, 2022 at 9:05 PM

Strawman. This presupposes that every action done by a religious person is guided by a scrupulous compulsion to follow some mandatory guideline, enforced primarily or exclusively under fear. This is false.

excusetheblood t1_iujr51p wrote on October 31, 2022 at 9:17 PM

If a person believes in an authoritative god who will either reward them with a blissful eternal afterlife or torture them for all eternity based on the decisions they make here on earth, then we can never truly trust their motives to be genuine can we? They’ll feed a homeless person or donate to charity all because they think it will raise their chances to get into Heaven and avoid hell, not because they wanted to do something good for the sake of it. They’ll also execute a gay person, hang a suspected witch, or vote against equal rights for the same reasons

Financial-Agency3322 t1_iujr9it wrote on October 31, 2022 at 9:18 PM

Strawman after strawman. Adios.

excusetheblood t1_iujshhx wrote on October 31, 2022 at 9:27 PM

You can’t just say “strawman” over and over again, you have to actually explain why I’m wrong and you’re right in order to win people over

Financial-Agency3322 t1_iujt3nf wrote on October 31, 2022 at 9:31 PM

Yeah, but I'm done talking to someone who is so intellectually dishonest and manipulative.

Top-Royal6249 t1_iujp80r wrote on October 31, 2022 at 9:03 PM

Sounds like you might be a sociopath if you only do things out of self-preservation without caring about others.

Financial-Agency3322 t1_iujplds wrote on October 31, 2022 at 9:06 PM

Sounds like you might be a sociopath if you're so unwilling to engage with your peers that you willfully misrepresent me so egregiously that you accuse me of doing something that I've disavowed several times.