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Some-Ad-8706 t1_j6pa97b wrote

Because life begins at conception. If you don't want to be pregnant, then don't have sex. I know it's a hard concept to understand for people but it's the only method guaranteed to be 100% at preventing pregnancy.

I don't understand why people are pro choice.

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welsh_nutter t1_j6pcurw wrote

why should people tell a woman what she should do with her body?

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silverblaze92 t1_j6pb1vf wrote

Human personhood is linked to consciousness. A human who is brain dead is considered dead even if the body lives on. By extension then, life begins with the development of consciousness, which requires the development of certain brain structures around the 26th week iirc

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Some-Ad-8706 t1_j6pbchw wrote

Ok and abortionists want to abort babies up until they come out of their mother so what's your point? Abortion is wrong.

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UKKasha2020 t1_j6pc1in wrote

No one wants to do that.

Babies aren't aborted. In most places where abortion is legal its only permitted up to a certain point - eg. in the UK its under 24 weeks, typically the vast majority are carried out within the first few weeks.

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silverblaze92 t1_j6pf51r wrote

Not as a form of birth control. For when it's medically necessary. Because no one who wants to end a pregnancy simply because they won't want a kid is going to wait that long if they have access to abortion sooner.

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UKKasha2020 t1_j6pbi7b wrote

People have sex, it's a fundamentalmental drive we have as living beings - that doesn't have to mean giving up your basic human rights in order to be forced to continue a pregnancy against your will, regardless of the risk to you or others.

Then there's rape, sexual abuse, and of course many people DO want to be pregnant but have to seek abortion due to change in circumstances, health reasons, or due to miscarriage.

Your beliefs shouldn't be forced upon anyone.

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BoyfriendOfChrist t1_j6pd8p3 wrote

Life is an ongoing process that started about 4 billion years ago

>I don't understand why people are pro choice.

Do you think a rape victim should have to carry and give birth to her rapist's baby? Because that seems morally indefensible to me

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kirixen t1_j6payjm wrote

We're pro-choice because you're not allowed to be inside a woman's body without her consent. Your age, gestational or otherwise, is irrelevant.

Wearing a short skirt is not consent to have sex.

Parking your car in a shitty neighborhood is not consent to have your car broken into.

Driving your car is not consent to be carjacked.

Sex is not consent to carry another human for 10 months.

What part of this don't you get?

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ThatOtherGuy_CA t1_j6pbutu wrote

As entertaining as I find this position, I have a hard time believing that “abortion as self defence” would hold up under any legal scrutiny.

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kirixen t1_j6pjan5 wrote

Why not?

Do fetuses get extra rights to violate bodily autonomy?

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Some-Ad-8706 t1_j6pb844 wrote

Literally don't have sex and you will be fine. What's so hard to understand that fetuses are alive? They can feel, sense, touch etc. You think you deserve to kill other human beings because you made poor unplanned decisions?

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UKKasha2020 t1_j6pckby wrote

No ones denying that a fetus is alive, however it can't very well feel, sense, or touch at the point in development when it's likely to be aborted.

Not all abortions are due to unplanned decisions, but even those which are...you think you deserve to let people die, put their health at risk, deny women equality, force people to continue a pregnancy against their will regardless of how severely it could impact their mental health or life, not to mention the feel, sense, and touch of actual children who suffer when born to families who don't want them?

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kirixen t1_j6pg4bm wrote

I think I deserve to kill another person if that person is violating my rights.

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My_unfinished_userna t1_j6pb2fp wrote

That’s a fair point and I agree with that but what are you thoughts on a case like rape? Do you think that abortion can be used in that case or are you completely against it?

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Zealousideal-Ad4610 t1_j6pbjhq wrote

It’s pro-murder not “pro-choice” let’s drop the disgusting euphemisms that make animals feel comfortable talking about it

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HavanaPajamaParty t1_j6pc0bd wrote

To be murder it has to be unlawful. Abortion isn't illegal in most of the developed world therefore it's not murder.

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Zealousideal-Ad4610 t1_j6pci6n wrote

So it’s murder in Texas but not in California? I know legally speaking sure, but if you depend on corrupt politicians from either side to define important moral values you are in for some big surprises when you open up a history book for the first time.

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HavanaPajamaParty t1_j6pcspo wrote

Murder is a legal term and it has a legal definition. It doesn't care about your opinions or morals.

Call it "killing" if you want, but it's not murder no matter how badly you want it to be.

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Zealousideal-Ad4610 t1_j6ph34o wrote

If you are defining it legally only then you can define humans as property in many nations even today. Also, in that case, I assume you would agree that abortion is not a right because legally speaking the Supreme Court says so?

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UKKasha2020 t1_j6pd36h wrote

It's not murder.

Pro-choice isn't pro-abortion either, continuing a pregnancy to term is one option in the 'choice'.

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