54fdd t1_j6paaw7 wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in People who are pro life, why? by sia_q
Abortion is not a right
silverblaze92 t1_j6paijj wrote
Bodily autonomy is.
54fdd t1_j6pak9e wrote
That's not bodily autonomy
silverblaze92 t1_j6pb2yo wrote
Why not?
UKKasha2020 t1_j6pcp23 wrote
Of course it is; Bodily autonomy is the right to governance over one's own body.
[deleted] t1_j6paftd wrote
Yeah but I believe they should have the choice
HavanaPajamaParty t1_j6pakg7 wrote
>"The enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of health is one of the fundamental rights of every human being without distinction of race, religion, political belief, economic or social condition”
>"The right to health also means that everyone should be entitled to control their own health and body, including having access to sexual and reproductive information and services, free from violence and discrimination"
https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/health-is-a-fundamental-human-right
UKKasha2020 t1_j6pauh9 wrote
Yes it is.
The right to safe and legal abortion is a fundamental human right protected under numerous international and regional human rights treaties and national-level constitutions around the world. Abortion falls under bodily autonomy, healthcare, rights to life, liberty, privacy, equality, also freedom from cruel treatment.
kirixen t1_j6palw7 wrote
Self defense is a right.
You're not allowed to be inside a woman's body without her consent. Your age, gestational or otherwise, is irrelevant.
Zealousideal-Ad4610 t1_j6pbefn wrote
The consent was given when she had sex, unless it was rape, this argument falls flat on its face. That’s like me committing a crime and then saying I don’t consent to handcuffs anymore. Sure under most circumstances no one can legally handcuff me, but if I’ve committed a crime that directly resulted in my detention then it doesn’t matter if I want to throw a fit, reality exists.
kirixen t1_j6pg021 wrote
No it wasn't.
Why would consent to activity A be considered consent to activity B?
Zealousideal-Ad4610 t1_j6pgq3m wrote
Because actions have consequences? How old are you? How do you not understand this? If you drink a lot, you are by proxy consenting to being drunk you can’t just wish it not to happen it is a biological reality. If you have sex (regardless of protective measures) you are consenting to the possibility of getting pregnant. You can’t pretend it’s totally separate when one is totally and completely dependent on the other to occur.
HavanaPajamaParty t1_j6phg6j wrote
If I get alcohol poisoning as a direct result of my own autonomous choice to drink, will the hospital refuse to treat me because "Actions have consequences; you shouldn't have drank if you didn't want this."
Zealousideal-Ad4610 t1_j6pia5u wrote
No, they can save your life, but pregnancy in and of itself is not generally lethal also, there is no innocent child at stake so that’s not even close to being a realistic analogy.
Abortion would be more analogous to you choosing to drive after you’ve become drunk with the specific intent to kill somebody because they get on your nerves. And then saying you never consented to getting drunk so even though you made every faulty and stupid decision leading up to that point it isn’t your fault.
HavanaPajamaParty t1_j6pj11q wrote
Then that's still not an apt analogy because the desire to consume alcohol isn't a biological urge.
And I and many others don't believe a fertilized egg is an "innocent child" so you can cut the plea to emotion. That's just your personal beliefs.
Zealousideal-Ad4610 t1_j6pk2v4 wrote
Ironic, why do you think that biological urge exists?
Regardless the initial reason for engaging doesn’t make any difference so long as it was consensual. So uhh, yea you’re wrong. They are both avoidable.
Also, I don’t have to be an idiot along with you or anyone else who wants to cover their eyes and pretend that a human life with potential is not inherently an innocent child. Not a plea to emotion, a recognition of reality.
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