kirixen t1_j6palw7 wrote on January 31, 2023 at 10:55 PM

Reply to comment by 54fdd in People who are pro life, why? by sia_q

Self defense is a right.

You're not allowed to be inside a woman's body without her consent. Your age, gestational or otherwise, is irrelevant.

Zealousideal-Ad4610 t1_j6pbefn wrote on January 31, 2023 at 11:00 PM

The consent was given when she had sex, unless it was rape, this argument falls flat on its face. That’s like me committing a crime and then saying I don’t consent to handcuffs anymore. Sure under most circumstances no one can legally handcuff me, but if I’ve committed a crime that directly resulted in my detention then it doesn’t matter if I want to throw a fit, reality exists.

kirixen t1_j6pg021 wrote on January 31, 2023 at 11:31 PM

No it wasn't.

Why would consent to activity A be considered consent to activity B?

Zealousideal-Ad4610 t1_j6pgq3m wrote on January 31, 2023 at 11:36 PM

Because actions have consequences? How old are you? How do you not understand this? If you drink a lot, you are by proxy consenting to being drunk you can’t just wish it not to happen it is a biological reality. If you have sex (regardless of protective measures) you are consenting to the possibility of getting pregnant. You can’t pretend it’s totally separate when one is totally and completely dependent on the other to occur.

HavanaPajamaParty t1_j6phg6j wrote on January 31, 2023 at 11:41 PM

If I get alcohol poisoning as a direct result of my own autonomous choice to drink, will the hospital refuse to treat me because "Actions have consequences; you shouldn't have drank if you didn't want this."

Zealousideal-Ad4610 t1_j6pia5u wrote on January 31, 2023 at 11:47 PM

No, they can save your life, but pregnancy in and of itself is not generally lethal also, there is no innocent child at stake so that’s not even close to being a realistic analogy.

Abortion would be more analogous to you choosing to drive after you’ve become drunk with the specific intent to kill somebody because they get on your nerves. And then saying you never consented to getting drunk so even though you made every faulty and stupid decision leading up to that point it isn’t your fault.

HavanaPajamaParty t1_j6pj11q wrote on January 31, 2023 at 11:52 PM

Then that's still not an apt analogy because the desire to consume alcohol isn't a biological urge.

And I and many others don't believe a fertilized egg is an "innocent child" so you can cut the plea to emotion. That's just your personal beliefs.

Zealousideal-Ad4610 t1_j6pk2v4 wrote on January 31, 2023 at 11:59 PM

Ironic, why do you think that biological urge exists?

Regardless the initial reason for engaging doesn’t make any difference so long as it was consensual. So uhh, yea you’re wrong. They are both avoidable.

Also, I don’t have to be an idiot along with you or anyone else who wants to cover their eyes and pretend that a human life with potential is not inherently an innocent child. Not a plea to emotion, a recognition of reality.