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daithisfw t1_jaensm2 wrote

Exactly?

A very smart/savvy person (or an idiot snake oil salesman, who portrays as an expert) has a plan to invest money in a certain way to get larger gains (hopefully) than just playing the market the traditional way.

That person creates a hedge fund, and offers investors to join. Usually this is a private affair, and the HF is a private company itself. So it's invite only, average Joe will not be able to invest with the HF usually.

It's the investors who supply the capital. They bring all the money into the management of the hedge fund. Then the Hedge fund and it's MDs and other employees, they take that money and use the strategy the creator/owner had in mind and they try to make those gains.

HF makes money themselves from their internal capital being invested and seeing gains and profits. HF also makes money of it's investors and their gains, through taking fees for those assets under management.

That's basically it. Technically you can start your own hedge fund if you wanted to, out of your garage. But you'll have to either have millions/billions of your own money to start with, or you'll have to convince millionaire/billionaire types to give you their money to manage. That's the main obstacle that makes it extremely tough to start a HF. Because no one knows you, no one trusts you with that insane wealth.

But when you get to someone famous and trusted, like Madoff.. he was able to scam the whole world for a couple decades because everyone trusted him, he was super respected in the industry. So no one looked at the numbers too closely. They just gave him their money and thought they were making insane profits.

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GotMyOrangeCrush t1_jaepbv8 wrote

Great summary.

Madoff, of course, enhanced the performance of his hedge fund by making it a Ponzi scheme.

https://newrepublic.com/article/162053/bernie-madoff-dead-hedge-fund-regulation

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[deleted] OP t1_jaepolp wrote

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GotMyOrangeCrush t1_jaeqo5d wrote

By all appearances, when you invested with Madoff you were putting your money with a trusted investment firm. Madoff was a trusted and respected leader in that space.

And for those people who invested and received good returns with Madoff, there actually wasn't a problem.

The issue with a Ponzi scheme is at some point it's going to crash, and that's what happened around 2008 and it left Madoff with a $7 billion hole in his balance sheet (and life in prison).

I attended a speech by Harry Markopolos. This man figured out that Madoff was a fraud well before anyone else, but no one would believe him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Markopolos#:~:text=In%202010%2C%20Markopolos's%20book%20on,the%20larger%20companies%20it%20supervised.

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[deleted] OP t1_jaeqy3y wrote

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GotMyOrangeCrush t1_jaet69r wrote

Yes. There were likely investors who had no issues with it as long as they got out before it all crashed.

In fact, part of the resistance to exposing Madoff was that investors were making returns. (Even though those returns were money stolen from other investors).

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