I would say that they are good value for money but those soles tend to be their weak spot. If you use them for regular office use they'll last bit outdoor they lose chips. They are nearly unreplaceable because there's no welt, the leather is flanged and sewn onto the sole directly so if the sole wears out the game's over. I love them but it don't feel they suit the BIFL label. And after all, proper care is an important part of BIFL.