Direct_Scarcity_2471 t1_ix2wekb wrote on November 20, 2022 at 9:22 AM

I would look for Euro brands if you're quoting prices in €. They make good gear. Stay away from The North Face.

All that aside, unfortunately outdoor gear like this is not BIFL. The durable water resistance will degrade, which can be replaced but never as good as factory made.

Also eventually the membrane gets holes in it and will no longer be waterproof. I imagine if you're using it only for domestic uses it may last longer.

regaphysics t1_ix3umag wrote on November 20, 2022 at 3:34 PM

First of all, none of these are meant to be worn in conditions with liquid water, so that isn’t very relevant; they all can shrug off falling snow indefinitely. Secondly, most of them don’t have permeable membranes like gore Tex. It isn’t very relevant in a winter parka. This one has dry vent which is basically just canvas. It doesn’t clog like gore Tex can. But again, even fully clogged goretex is fine in a jacket like this.

My mcmurdo is quite old and still functions perfectly.

hastati96 OP t1_ix30193 wrote on November 20, 2022 at 10:16 AM

Oh, thats sad :(

I thought this was the biggest advantage of the McMurdo but without being fully waterproof there is no reason to pay 50€ more.

Direct_Scarcity_2471 t1_ix31ppe wrote on November 20, 2022 at 10:41 AM

There's a great advantage to the modern membrane based clothes. They can work really well in adverse conditions. They'll keep you warm and dry, and allow your sweat to breathe out.

They just have life limitations,which imo don't make them BIFL.