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regaphysics t1_izax67s wrote
Reply to comment by javaavril in BIFL Request: Side sleeper pillows that will last at least 5 years by [deleted]
lol ok, look at hotel bedding đ¤Ł
javaavril t1_izaxqmk wrote
You have an issue with Frette?
regaphysics t1_izb5jgt wrote
I mean, I have no reason to dislike the company other than being overpriced for what it is. A down pillow is nothing special - a little over a pound of down put into a cotton case. If I was going to get a pricey high quality down good, Iâd get feathered friends. They actually use higher quality down than Frette, plus itâs cheaper.
But like I said, I wouldnât get either of them. Down is good for one application: light weight insulation items in dry environments.
javaavril t1_izbae94 wrote
Then why did you LoL at hotel bedding, Frette supplies hotels and is very well priced for the quality of their percale.
I think now I know why you think down pillows aren't good, as you just said that you don't own a pricey high quality one and you think they only weigh a pound.
Stop trying to convince me that I'm wrong for enjoying something that, for me, is supportive, comfortable, breathable and cooling, compostable, and machine washable. Just because something doesn't work for you doesn't mean that millions of other people don't like it.
Enjoy handwashing your latex.
regaphysics t1_izbbyo7 wrote
First off, Frette doesnât list fill amounts (red flag). I can almost guarantee itâs less than 25 ounces, though. Second, i have used a feathered friends pillow and comforter in the past. They are higher quality than Frette (85% down is unimpressive). If yours weighs a lot, itâs because itâs got a ton of feathers instead of down in it. Like I said, I subbed it out for the Coop pillow and itâs better. Third, the notion that a material quite literally designed by nature for the sole purpose of retaining warmth is âcoolingâ is a fitting way to end the conversation because you have no idea what youâre talking about and clearly donât want to learn.
javaavril t1_izbexkm wrote
Percale, I've been talking about frette percale, hotel bedding. I never mentioned the brand of my pillows. I only suggested to OP 750 FP goosedown. That's what I have and some 800. My pillows are 100 percent goosedown. They are heavy because they are firm. Congratulations on your Co-op pillow that you enjoy. Again it's better for you.
You seem to still be missing the point that your opinion is not fact. You can't convince me that I'm wrong for liking something, that millions of people like as well. You seem to think there's only one answer and that people can't like different things, or place value in natural materials that have less chemicals, are repairable, and more readily decompose at their end life.
Down is breathable and regulates temperature and humidity to not overheat. Down pillows generally sleep cooler than memory foam as there is air circulation between the down clusters.
regaphysics t1_izbhi9m wrote
I didnât state anything as fact other than longevity and resilience. Down absolutely is going to lose resilience at a faster rate than many other materials - that is objectively knowable. Whether itâs still ok for your neck/head that depends. Some people can sleep on anything.
Iâm not convincing you you donât like a thing. I stated down pillows wonât last 15+ years as you said. I stand by that, although Iâll amend that to say it depends how you quantify âlast.â Theyâll lose resilience faster than several other materials.
(And sleeping cooler than a closed cell foam isnât a high bar. Theyâre both very highly insulating. Down is used in coats exactly because it stops convection ( air circulation) so well.).
Edit: btw nothing is 100% goose down. That doesnât exist. Even 1100 fill power is about 2-3% feathers (and often 2-3% down fibers ie broken down clusters). Check your law tag. Guarantee it doesnât say 100% down. 750-800 fill power is generally about 85% down - of which itâs often only 80% clusters.)
javaavril t1_izblqck wrote
"simply not a good pillow material". Stated as fact when that is your opinion.
I have pillows over a decade old that are just as fluffy and supportive as my newer ones.
Goosedown excels at thermoregulation, air moves through the pillow, and doesn't cause overheating.
regaphysics t1_izbmtnp wrote
Yes, not a good pillow material as defined by objective criteria. As I said, if you donât want to use objective criteria then sure, sleep on garbanzo beans because anyoneâs opinion goes.
And no, down doesnât excel at thermoregulation. It traps heat, limits convection, and doesnât absorb much moisture - which is how most natural materials regulate - in addition to losing its ability to loft when it absorbs moisture. Again, thatâs precisely why down is used as an insulator in jackets (and geese). Itâs whole purpose is to trap heat.
javaavril t1_izbo6qw wrote
That's your opinion. Down is soft, supportive, and breathable. Great qualities for pillows. You're strawmanning again with the chickpeas.
It does, it wicks moisture through filaments and is highly breathable. It regulates the body temperature of geese, it's job is thermoregulation.
Edit: in case anyone gets this far, I highly doubt it, but I had to block that guy because he's made of nonsense.
Geese molt down several times a year, but they always have down, they molt their flight feathers in summer and can't fly for a few months. Down is there for thermoregulation.
"Geese are warm blooded and their temperature must be regulated within a certain limit. This is only possible when enough wind reaches their skin to take away the heat. The down protects the birds from the cold during the winters and keeps the bird well aerated, so that its body temperature is also optimally regulated during the summers."
regaphysics t1_izboddw wrote
Oh my God. No offense youâre just trolling now if you donât know that down is meant to retain heat and stop convection. They literally molt them in the summer to keep from overheating. Good lord.
https://bedroomsandmore.com/blog/down-vs-wool-bedding-which-is-better/
âDown is not super breathable and loses its loft when wetâ
https://www.switchbacktravel.com/down-vs-synthetic-insulation
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