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thedanishcoffeenerd t1_j4023c3 wrote

For the dryer I'd highly recommend everyone to always buy a heat pump dryer. They use so much less power that the money saved on electricity far outweighs the extra initial cost. A heat pump dryer only uses around 300-500W compare to 2000W for a traditional dryer. That is quickly a lot of money saved if you run it often. Also it's better for the environment.

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b1tchlasagna t1_j40ntfv wrote

This.

I can understand the idea of "buy it for life" but the running costs of such an old appliance are insane

I recently bought this

https://www.pauldavieskitchensandappliances.co.uk/miele-tcr780wp-freestanding-condenser-heat-pump-tumble-dryer-white.html.

There are cheaper alternatives out there made, BUT I bought that because '

It's A+++-10%. Stupidly no country within the EEA has downgraded the grading of heat pump tumble dryers. If they downgraded it, an A+++-10% EPC would maybe be EPC C rated on the new scale

It's also got a reversing drum which helps with drying times, and less ironing required (therefore less electricity and less time)

It's also a Miele. LG and Samsung do the same thing for about half the price but I don't fancy how unreliable those things are.

Here's my thread on it too

https://www.reddit.com/r/BuyItForLife/comments/10a0i8w

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Intrepid00 t1_j41ev72 wrote

> I can understand the idea of “buy it for life” but the running costs of such an old appliance are insane

Oh god yes, even if my refrigerator only lasts 10-15 years your buy it for life fridge from the 70s is using so much energy it would have bought 2 of my refrigerators in that time. Some of the “they don’t last as long” is strictly because of having to use more energy efficient designs and materials that just isn’t as strong as thick heavy steel and cast iron. Some is just bad design or trying to get too fancy like French door fridges with a door ice dispenser.

There are things worth it for buy it for life but refrigerators, old as hell heat pumps, washer and dryer, and dishwashers become very debatable if they are worth it when looking at energy costs and how well they actually work.

Now an expensive pair of jeans that last forever is a no debate it’s worth the cost.

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teun95 t1_j41kgw4 wrote

I calculated it in another comment. The energy usage of this laundy machine is literally twice as high as a current A label laundry machine. Water usage is even more than twice as high.

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Intrepid00 t1_j41kpjk wrote

Not shocked. I’m sure my washer dryer (that have 10 year warranty on the motors) using them is paid for twice with that energy and water costs.

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b1tchlasagna t1_j41l7kj wrote

My dishwasher is "D rated" on the new EPC scale. It would have been A+++ rated on the old one

I don't truly care because it cost me £200, and I use it maybe once a week. If that lasts me, that's great. If it doesn't, no biggy because my own BIFL habit is to... not having had a dish washer most of my life. If it fails in five years time it's just another £200 or so

The A rated ones are ridiculously expensive for little energy efficiency gain

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Intrepid00 t1_j41srtk wrote

I hear you but those little energy efficiency gains and better cleaning jobs really start to add up with families doing daily or more runs.

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b1tchlasagna t1_j41uinx wrote

Oh for sure. I mentioned my own requirements because I couldn't set why I'd need to spend a few hundred extra to save minus still a few hundred

That's the main reason that stops me from buying a Miele solar save dish washer. Like yes it uses so much less, and yes, it makes better use of my solar panels but also its a lot more expensive for what's realistically little gain (for me)

My D rated dishwasher uses 0.85 kWh per cycle. An A rated one uses 0.54 kWh per cycle. If you use it every single day, you're looking at a saving of 113.15 kWh in a year. In the UK, assuming April 2023 pricing that's a saving of £61.11 a year

When electricity was 15p/kWh, then you'd have to use your dishwasher multiple times a day for it to be cheaper. Assuming you're using it once a day, that's a saving of a mere £17 a year. Assuming also that it lasts ten years, I'd look to have spent £200 extra, max.

But again that is if I was using it once a day, which I'm not.

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UnfitRadish t1_j40on9b wrote

Now what if you have a gas dryer? How do they compare with costs? Our gas is relatively cheap compared to our electric.

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annoyingdoorbell t1_j413ady wrote

I'm the same. If I were to switch to all electric, my costs would increase, most likely be a significant amount.

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snorlackx t1_j40fzey wrote

good luck getting it repaired though. very few know how to work on them and those that do will charge a lot

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thedanishcoffeenerd t1_j40jwve wrote

They work like a refrigerator and has very few moving parts that can break down. Like how often does for fridge jut die? It's not too complicated for a technician to deal with, but I also live in a country where heat pumps are common for hole house heating so we have technicians available for heat pumps. Also always buy from a well know Company that also has good repair service. I don't know any specific brands because it'll vary a lot from country to country how the service is.

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snorlackx t1_j42t04j wrote

I repair appliances for a living and no one in our company works on them. also went out to one by accident and customer said we were the 8th company they called trying to get it repaired. theres simply not enough of them in my market to get trained on them. also cant justify spending 100+ hours of training for a machine you will run into once or twice a year.

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thedanishcoffeenerd t1_j42w73j wrote

Funny how different the markets can be because here you'll be hard pressed to find one that is not a heat pump dryer.

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jankyj t1_j40lewq wrote

I live in the Netherlands. Vented dryers are non-existent. All models are either heat pump or condensing. For my region, reparability is not an issue, but indeed always wise to check what is the case in your market to make an educated decision about reparability.

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teun95 t1_j40y2bq wrote

Huh, I didn't notice this but you're right. Our last dryer was a vented dryer, but that was a pretty old one. I just checked online and they're barely sold anymore. Just a few irrelevant brands.

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