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terminal_prognosis t1_jcu25ta wrote

Reply to comment by tamirabeth in Stop sign coming to Brookline Street at Franklin after numerous accidents by SpyCats

Ugh, no, traffic calming should not be by creating endless stop-and-start, creating extra noise and pollution. Other forms of traffic calming are superior to adding yet more of the most idiotic traffic control layout known to man (that almost the entire rest of the world rightly shuns).

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tamirabeth t1_jcu4a0k wrote

The rest of the world shuns stop signs?

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terminal_prognosis t1_jcu4ozr wrote

In most countries stop signs are quite rare - like you can go days without seeing one, so kind of, yes.

But I was talking about all-way stops, which are only in N. America, Liberia, and S. Africa, because they are inefficient and unhelpful.

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tamirabeth t1_jcu5lrk wrote

I mean...

> for use at low traffic-volume locations, the arrangement is common in the United States, Canada, Mexico, South Africa, and Liberia, as well as in a number of, usually rural, locations in Australia where visibility on the junction approaches is particularly poor.

is pretty dead on for Cambridge.

And I noticed you missed a couple of countries....

We also don't have many roundabouts, and never will have as many as other countries where they're more common. This doesn't seem like a fair comparison when the roads are completely different in other countries.

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terminal_prognosis t1_jcu5x87 wrote

If we're going to quote, how about the disadvantages:

> the Handbook of Road Safety Measures recommends that four-way stops are best used between minor roads away from urbanized areas

and

> Some of the disadvantages associated with all-way stops are: > > * Increased emissions of hydrocarbons.[9]: 431–433 > * Increased average delay.[9]: 430 > * Increased wear on vehicle brakes > * Discouraging bicycling.[10]

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tamirabeth t1_jcu6ixj wrote

Wow. So many major disadvantages to prioritizing safety. /s--clearly

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CJYP t1_jd0f7hi wrote

I bet the handbook would recommend a traffic signal for this purpose. Might work a bit better than a stop sign.

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