Submitted by IntelligentCicada363 t3_ycqbtd in CambridgeMA
Ok_Purpose_1606 t1_itsc2p0 wrote
So I think people who say the solution to a failed road system is more bikes overlooks the fact that not everyone is a healthy 20 something to 30 something year old person who has the pulmonary capacity to bike everywhere. Same with public transportation and people with weakened immune systems. Like a good percentage of Cambridge's older population need transportation by car and by extension parking. The people in that area don't need less parking and more bike infrastructure.
bufallll t1_itslesy wrote
this is an incredibly tired argument. the idea is to make it easier for people to use bikes and transit (the overwhelming majority of people are able bodied), which in turn frees up roads for the people who really need to be on them. also your statement of ages is pretty laughable considering 55% of people in cambridge are between the ages of 20 and 44 (nationally that age group is 36%) so yes, we actually do have a very young population. also, if someone needs to drive so much, could they possibly move… literally anywhere else in the damn country? why should the rest of us who actually want to live in a functional walkable city have to suffer for some people who are shackled to their cars?
also let’s be real, you’re more than likely using disabled people as an excuse for your own selfish habits. people who harp about needing parking/lanes for disabled people always seem to forget that there are also a ton of disabled people who cannot/don’t drive. what about them? oh, they aren’t convenient for your argument?
Ok_Purpose_1606 t1_itsmo8k wrote
I'm personally disgusted with your response. I am temporarily disabled, probably wouldn't be able to use a bike (due to pulmonary restriction because of cancer) for a year. And probably shouldn't use public transportation for a few months because of a weakened immune system because of chemo. The place where I was diagnosed was Mt. Auburn Hospital which is in the area in question. You should really try to consider that anyone you encounter could actually have a disability they don't exactly wear a sign saying they are.
greemp t1_itt2g5y wrote
In your case, wouldn't it be better for you to have more people on bikes and using public transport, freeing up the roads and parking so that you can actually get places more easily? It's not ableist to encourage healthier and more sustainable transport choices for those who are able. In fact, it makes.more space for those who actually need it.
Ok_Purpose_1606 t1_ittochv wrote
Correct, if it makes sense for the specific area or road. If you read the entire op-ed the authors aren't against car alternative transportation, in fact they state they are for it, they're against decisions on bike lanes being made without consulting residents in areas where bikes lanes might make little sense for those residents.
IntelligentCicada363 OP t1_ituktit wrote
They are against them. They have never proposed a single solution other than to rip them all out.
greemp t1_itvx5xo wrote
This is a new argument and unrelated to our previous discussion.
Roads are communal and public. They may travel through communities, but they are not for the exclusive use of that community. This argument especially falls apart when looking at major thoroughfares such as Brattle. Why should the residents have any more say over those.roads than the people who use that road? There are many Cambridge residents that bike, walk, and scoot through that area daily. Why is their safety secondary to the concerns of the community on the road (concerns, which I may add, that are trifling compared to the daily threat of serious injury or death faced by vulnerable users of that space.)
bufallll t1_itsq3bm wrote
ugh okay i’m sorry to hear that and sorry for the harsh language, i have seen a lot of abled people make that argument when it doesn’t include them and i assumed that was you too. i hope you get better. however i stand by the core of what i said, getting more people out of cars and onto bikes and public transit should free up the streets for people who need to drive and our community should rely on cars as little as possible. i moved here largely for the access to public transit and walkability and i want to see that character maintained and strengthened, and i also bike. this area is not safe for cyclists and the facts are that we do need more bike infrastructure.
IntelligentCicada363 OP t1_itukqen wrote
You’re disgusted? What about the large number of disabled and elderly people who can’t drive at all? Just fuck them right?
vhalros t1_itura3b wrote
The idea that bicycle infrastructure is useable only by 20 to 30 year old able bodied people is ridiculous though. Bicycles are a practical mode of transportation for many many trips, that are inexpensive, emit no pollution, and take up relatively little space. While it's true that some trips are best served by car, our transportation system over prioritizes them to a ridiculous degree.
literary-chickens t1_itsgmjk wrote
Yeah, I bike everywhere but think frequently that it's an ableist big-picture solution. We do need something better for aging and/or disabled residents.
greemp t1_itt3e5m wrote
Wouldn't it be better to create more space for people? If roads were narrowed, there would be more space for wider sidewalks allowing people with mobility issues to actually use wheelchairs on sidewalks. Ever tried to use a wheelchair outside main business thoroughfares? It's impossible in this city, which forces people into their cars. It's important to realize that encouraging those who are able to cycle and use public transport creates more space for those who absolutely need to use cars. This is not ableist in the slightest. The opposite in fact.
literary-chickens t1_itxtds2 wrote
Sure, of course! Dude, I'm on your side! I meant that the overall rhetoric we use around bikes and cars can be moralizing in a way that makes it sound like disabled lives don't matter. "Down with cars, everybody bikes" is alienating and isolating to people with different realities. (I know you're not saying that, but people do.) It doesn't have to be disabled folks; think about young children or families, for a different example. I agree that it's not ableist to encourage and uplift public transport and biking. I'll vote for such policies every time. But the vitriol and condescension toward cars--it's neither righteous nor kind.
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