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Commercial_Oven9386 t1_iva346w wrote

Reply to comment by dny6 in Cambridge City Council to consider citywide ban on ‘turning on red’ by superfakesuperfake

Traffic cameras are not conducive. The concept that tax payers are coerced into paying for surveillance system to be used against themselves, by fear mongers that have nothing better to do than invoke squabble, is asinine.

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Kobeashis_Son t1_iva4v1w wrote

https://doi.org/10.1002%2Fcl2.1091 “Red light cameras reduce injuries”. Study is listed right on the Wikipedia for red light cameras along with several others.

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Commercial_Oven9386 t1_iva792h wrote

I’d argue that people should just pay attention to road as a pedestrian as well by picking their heads up from their phones and or devices. The timeline of this study alone is indicative of the change in times. The solution is not more cameras and screens on the streets but more eyes and ears. The increase of ‘mishaps’ are no coincidence to decline of people’s attention spans when moving about outside their comforts.

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rmbryla t1_ivagtz8 wrote

>I’d argue that people should just pay attention to road as a pedestrian as well by picking their heads up from their phones and or devices

So pretty much ask people nicely to be better drivers? This does nothing and we know that. And yeah pedestrians and drivers should both pay attention. But when pedestrians don't pay attention they put themselves at risk while drivers not paying attention put others at risk. The point of traffic cameras, no right turns on red, and actual enforcement of traffic laws is to prevent people from getting hurt of killed

>The solution is not more cameras and screens on the streets but more eyes and ears

Cameras, not screens, not sure where you got the adding screens idea. If drivers never have accountability for breaking laws then they will keep doing it, just look at speed limits. We can't have a cop on every corner making sure cars are doing the right thing so cameras can help in certain places

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Commercial_Oven9386 t1_ivah9br wrote

The distractions in driving have increased with the scaled adoption of smart devices… cars are now and increasingly becoming rolling computers …

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rmbryla t1_ivahrfj wrote

Yeah the whole screens in cars is such a bad idea. Switching from physical buttons makes it harder for drivers to keep their eyes on the road since you need to look for controls instead of feel them. Didn't realize that's what you were talking about in your comment. Sounded like you were saying traffic cameras have to come with more screens that will distract people

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Commercial_Oven9386 t1_ivai50m wrote

No worries. Just highlighting that the scope of the problem is larger than what is being addressed by this myopic solution.

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rmbryla t1_ivak0pj wrote

Yeah absolutely not a single silver bullet, but I think no turn on red and camera enforcement can be part of the solution

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Commercial_Oven9386 t1_ivar4iw wrote

It can… without dialogue this though we wouldn’t come to better mutual solutions. Cameras have proven their utility, they shouldn’t be the replacement for the onus.

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sckuzzle t1_iva85c1 wrote

> The concept that tax payers are coerced into paying for surveillance system to be used against themselves

"Taxation is theft!" -You, a libertarian

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Commercial_Oven9386 t1_ivah137 wrote

Nothing to do with political ideology, and I do believe taxes are important. Just believe that this problems is solved by human interdiction and not another unnecessary tech. better yet.. the drivers that are speeding should be appropriately ticketed by an officer that lives and serves (preferably in that community) and either way it still goes down to both the driver and pedestrian obsession with the device in hand versus the just paying attention to the road it is what we’re taught when we get our license… if people approached driving with the caution we should than would there any cause for concern for the pedestrian outside of unruly drivers that will perpetually exist despite what imaginary line you draw for them… cameras are the lazy solution. People just need to pay closer attention to the task at hand and driving is one of the privileged responsibilities we have.

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