BlaXBla t1_j3a22xn wrote
This is a tragedy, but I don't think there is anything wrong with what Police did. Unless anyone could provide evidence proving otherwise.
Old_Travel8423 t1_j3bzveg wrote
I am a little bit annoyed, like I always am, that there are no body cams. Body cams would resolve ALL ambiguity here, and would show whether the police were in the right or were in the wrong. I think it's shameful and embarrassing that there are no body cams. And for this reason, I think we should all take a healthy heaping of salt with the police statement. And I think this kind of a disclaimer needs to be placed before all police statements when they fail to have body cams.
That being said, it sounds from the police description of the event like something went wrong. The deceased sounds like he was having an issue, or a breakdown, or something. Jumping out of another apartment, knife/machete in hand, cutting himself with that and/or glass. Not putting down the weapon, not putting down the weapon after being shot with a "less likely to be lethal" weapon, culminating in him approaching the officers knife in hand and getting shot. If that is what happened, then I wish that there had been other things tried (if possible) to deescalate, or a tazer or something... but as a last resort, an officer shooting someone coming at them with a knife is justifiable.
I hope that we get more information.
asuds t1_j3arwcf wrote
I have no evidence that they did anything wrong either, other than to say we should be able to develop a way to respond to people in crisis that does not also kill them fairly often nationwide.
magnetmonopole t1_j3ayoy4 wrote
They did everything they possibly could. They tried talking to him, they tried non-lethal methods. He charged them with a machete. What other possible outcome was there? There is no “way to respond” that we could possibly develop that would have had a better result.
asuds t1_j3by7j3 wrote
Better non-lethal methods seems like a place to start.
[deleted] t1_j3mhnlm wrote
There are people who can’t even be stopped with an average tazer
Lurking4Justice t1_j42z75g wrote
Tasers should not be used. Japanese police resolve this exact situation with poles and fucking gumption. It's fair to say we're doing something wrong with training officers in America
Old_Travel8423 t1_j3c02kv wrote
I agree from a policy perspective, but those better less-likely-to-be-lethal methods need to be in place in officers' vehicles and they need to be trained on them before events like this. If the officers did not have anything else available to them, and the deceased was coming at them with a knife, then their reaction is understandable/justifiable. Though I agree that we should be looking for and deploying better ways, whatever they may be.
Mobile-Strength1548 t1_j3kqk3t wrote
Yes and also I feel like one or two bullets could have put him down and not kill him. Remind you he only had a knife and there were five cops so 5 shots for charging with a knife is not justified.
QuentonCassidy401 t1_j3p9fer wrote
You keep saying this over and over. I doubt it's as easy as you think when in a high pressure situation with a knife in your face to pull the trigger twice verses five times.
Mobile-Strength1548 t1_j3pjz4f wrote
Shouldn't polices be trained to face situations like this? or at that point the aim should be to murder the suspect?
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