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cambridgecitizen t1_j4lq3ij wrote

Get an AC unit that sits in the room w/ only the vent in the window.

https://www.amazon.com/BLACK-DECKER-BPACT08WT-Portable-Conditioner/dp/B01DLPUWL2/ref=sr_1_3?content-id=amzn1.sym.cdff5709-1ad3-49fb-b3a2-fd145c65c07d%3Aamzn1.sym.cdff5709-1ad3-49fb-b3a2-fd145c65c07d&keywords=ac%2Bunit%2Bportable%2Bfor%2Broom&pd_rd_r=bd29f7dc-9fbc-4801-a441-5549c1bd44f8&pd_rd_w=mpOs9&pd_rd_wg=l5tCF&pf_rd_p=cdff5709-1ad3-49fb-b3a2-fd145c65c07d&pf_rd_r=EF1C4J5J5SDW01G728FQ&qid=1673887325&sr=8-3&th=1

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oscardssmith t1_j4lvchy wrote

These are incredibly inefficient. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-mBeYC2KGc for details

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cambridgecitizen t1_j4lzl8r wrote

Didn't know that. I guess it's a tradeoff. Which would cost more - the incremental cost of the stand-alone unit or the installation charge? Dunno.

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oscardssmith t1_j4m0x00 wrote

Well the service charge isn't enforceable (they can't force you to pay $90 to take out an air conditioner that you own, that's just not how any of this works). It's just a landlord looking for gullible tenants.

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lilliavert OP t1_j4m3c0i wrote

That’s exactly how I feel - like I’m agreeing to being ripped off! I do like my apartment overall and maintenance is usually very helpful/prompt, so maybe I’ll look into alternatives for next summer even though my current units aren’t very old unfortunately.

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oscardssmith t1_j4mef87 wrote

I'd read your lease very carefully first. Unless there is language there specifically prohibiting you from installing the AC on your own, I seriously doubt they can stop you (note I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice).

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commentsOnPizza t1_j4of42w wrote

Definitely check the lease. Lots of leases do specify that you can't install AC on your own and there's nothing in Mass that guarantees access to cooling like we guarantee heat. Often landlords don't want people installing AC units because often people put large/heavy units and put all the weight on the window - or they're installing a support structure and making penetrations into the exterior of the building.

For the winter, the landlords probably have a good case argument that it isn't weather tight for a Boston winter and that they don't want the added weight of snow/ice on top of the AC unit putting more stress on the building/window.

You might be able to negotiate it with the management company. You have two units and maybe you can get them down to $45/each. It's just one trip for their service person.

I think they should reasonably come down from the $180 for 2 units, but I don't think it's a scam on gullible tenants, ACs should be taken out for the winter, and there are good reasons to disallow tenant installation of AC units - it's overprotective for sure in most cases, but there are good reasons.

I'm guessing the lease stipulates this and they're going to have to comply, but maybe it doesn't.

There's also the question of whether $90 or 180/year ($7.50 or $15/mo) is the hill one wants to die on. When renting apartments, one often doesn't get to choose the exact rent. If this is the one thing that's pissing you off about this management company, I'd ignore it. Would you rather find a different place that's $100/mo more? Maybe your place is over priced, maybe management is annoying about lots of things, etc. Or maybe it's not worth the fight. Plus, even if you rarely turn on the heat, it's still some money there and probably $50+ even if you rarely turn on the heat.

If it's the hill you want to die on, it's the hill you want to die on. However, if the rest of things are great, I wouldn't make that the hill to die on. Yea, it's annoying, but the cost is minuscule compared to Cambridge rent. What are we talking? 0.5% of annual rent at a time when annual rent increases are in the 5-15% range? I just wouldn't make it my hill to die on.

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mfball t1_j4m6lfr wrote

Probably still depends on what's in the lease though, because if it says you can't use your own units, then they can probably levy some other kind of fee for "violating the lease."

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Old_Travel8423 t1_j4nwkl1 wrote

I would assume if it was in the lease that tenant can't install their own and has to pay $90 per unit to have them installed, and the lease contained a requirement to remove them in the winter, then it's probably not illegal. I tried to find some legal language and came up completely empty handed. It's a bizarre situation. All I'm finding about odd fees is landlords can't require payment of amenity fees - but can restrict tenants right to access the amenities if the tenant chooses not to pay the fee.

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commentsOnPizza t1_j4o9dsm wrote

Probably the stand-alone unit would cost more, especially with energy prices rising (though I guess Cambridge won't feel that until 2024 if you're on the community aggregation). Department of Energy standards that go into effect for 2025 note that portable AC units are actually only doing about 70% of the cooling that was previously assumed - and they were already considered horrendously inefficient. Consumer Reports notes that a portable AC unit will take three times longer to cool a room - and three times the electricity in the process.

If you're spending $50/mo on cooling and you're suddenly using 3x the electricity, you're then using an extra $100/mo. Even if it's just double the electricity, you're still going to eat through an extra $150/unit over the summer.

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lilliavert OP t1_j4lulo4 wrote

Thank you for the suggestion! The installation fees would already breakeven with the cost of this air conditioner so I will seriously consider one of these!

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CostcoBrandDinosaur t1_j4lx7z8 wrote

Don't buy what that person linked. They're terrible efficiency. If you're worried about installation and are considering getting a more efficient not to mention quieter unit I highly recommend https://www.midea.com/us/air-conditioners/window-air-conditioners/8000-btu-u-shaped-air-conditioner-maw08v1qwt

They're a little confusing the first time you install but are also braced by a mounted window bracket and have the window between the front and back of the unit, making it physically impossible to fall out with the window shut. The bracket also makes installation easier once you've read the instructions and done it once.

They're also much quieter and lighter than traditional units.

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karlanke t1_j4m6t1y wrote

They're for sure quieter, but not lighter - I think mine is the heaviest AC I've ever owned. That said, still 100% worth it for the lack of noise

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lilliavert OP t1_j4m2qpo wrote

Thank you! I think I would still face the dilemma of the $90 fee, but this is good to know in case I go down that route anyway.

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