This has already been in place for a while though? Why is CBS saying it's effective March 31?

Was it required all weekend or just weekend nights?

Same times and days they posted in the article. I saw the police walking around a few weeks ago.

how is this not discrimination based on age?

Businesses do have the right to refuse service as long as they don’t violate federal laws to do so. The federal civil rights act of 1964 prohibits discrimination based on race, religion, and national origin. The Americans with disabilities act prohibits discrimination based on disabilities. Businesses do have the right to refuse service based on age.

A club or bar does this.

I'm not a pearl clutching WASPy suburban caricature but I was at the mall several Fridays ago and yes the teenagers were out of control. Most of their mobbing happens in/around Main Event and the food court. I take my kid to Main Event a lot but we're gonna avoid going there on Fri. and Sat. for a while now.

I remember when Towsontown Mall had the same problems and implemented rules similar to this but I don't remember Mall In Columbia ever officially starting the same rules.

Usually to comply with their liquor license

A mall doesn't have to worry abt that

ok cool

I see no difference in this discrimination vs the other protected classes....lol

Good! Their parents brought these little assholes into the world, now let them take some responsibility for their shitty behavior when they screw things up.

People keep taking third spaces away from minors...

What do you mean? I am interested in understanding better.

It's a sociological term meaning somewhere other than the usual two spaces (i.e. home and school) where kids can exist.

Is there a behavioral change in what minors do now at the mall versus 30 years ago?

My friend saw someone pull out a knife a few weeks ago during a fight in the mall. Situation is definitely out of control.

If you feel strongly about it have you thought of trying to do anything about it like calling a representative and voicing your concerns

Yes, and that's always been the case. Every generation is going to be different from the one that came before.

This is true. I myself haven’t seen anything too bad with teens at the mall. There is a ton of marijuana stench around the entrances which has been increasing. If teens are behaving poorly at the mall, then there needs to be more mall security to clear up zones of mischief. I don’t mind teens at malls honestly - I think it’s a comfortable safe place for teens to hang out. There are other places in Columbia too - library branches, community centers, fitness centers, there are YMCA branches, and tons of park spaces.

People also need to be free to make mistakes and do things they'll regret later. It's how we learn.

And other people, even minors, have a right to exist in public. If you ask me, the only asshole here is you.

You are right, as kids we learned really well at the end of a belt. Some may say that it's child abuse. I say they are wrong there is discipline and child abuse. Putting our kids in time out are we teaching them that you do wrong you just get put away for a while w/ 3 squares and a cot? That's what happens in jail.... And then some!

I say bring back corporal punishment at home. Our parents were right in giving us well deserved whoppings and making sure we understood what we did wrong when we got them. Now adays you do wrong, you get rewarded. What's to learn?

As a father of two, I say you're an abuser and an idiot.

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what do they do? i dont go there often but whej i do i never see kids misbehaving

Age is not a protected class until after 40. At least for employment. But, even the fair housing act allows 55+ communities with no kids.

This hurt my inner child that would be at the mall almost daily in high school :(

how are they going to even enforce this

There were no problems when I was there last Saturday around dinner time.

They're acting out of control at the mall and you're shocked that the mall wants kids to have chaperones?

teenagers aren't a protected class lmao

They won't. I mean, they will, for about a month or two. They'll harass teenagers who "look" suspicious. Then they'll harass the wrong kids too many times, the kind with parents who start talking about lawyers. One will get too rough with a kid who wasn't actually doing shit and it'll get filmed and end up on this same news site.

They put these policies in all the time. They never last long.

Until today it was only a proposal. It was proposed a couple months ago.

They're kids. What does "out of control" look like?

Teacher, here. In AACPS, not HCPSS. At our middle school, we have constant fights, recording of fights, gang related activity, weapon carrying, harassment of one another and adults, and just general assholeishness. I know that kids need a place other than school and home to hang out, but a LOT of the activity that I see on a daily basis from my students today would have been a straight trip to a JDC when I was their age.

I don’t have a solution aside from a societal shift that feels impossible, but I understand why the businesses at the mall don’t want this happening outside of their shops.

so.....

its still age discrimination

everyone thats cool w it, believes in discrimination when it benefits them

Yeah but when it's a shitty generation that has no respect for others and cause dangerous situations, then there needs to be rules and repercussions put in place. Such as you can't function in society so now you can't go to the mall unaccompanied.

Having parents chaperone kids belonging to a "shitty generation" isn't going to solve any problems.

Who do you think raised them?

There's always somebody who thinks the teens of the day are shitty with no respect for others. But as evergreen as that is, I think you're missing the bigger point.

Honestly, why should they respect their elders? I was a freshman at River Hill when Columbine happened. These kids have grown up in a world where not nearly enough of their parents and grandparents give a damn to give them a better world than that. Some of them are the same age as the children from Sandy Hook. My eldest has been running through active shooter drills since she was 3, and that both infuriates me and breaks my heart.

Drugs and gangs aren't anything new. They've always been there. They've stopped hiding because they want you to notice.

With all due respect if corporal punishment made you what you are then I’m going to avoid it at all costs…

So they’re going back to harassing all the kids of color, just like the 90s. Neat.

Per the article, getting into fights involving 20-30 individuals, shooting random people with pellets. (Don't fuck with pellets, if they hit you in the face or eyes, it can really mess your vision up.)

I find it hilarious that people are getting mad at the mall for doing this, instead of getting mad at the parents of the children/teens that engage in this. Way to ruin it for all the children/teens (and their parents) that don't engage in this behavior.

If I were to guess, probably the rise in social media has to deal with some of the change, because there is a much wider audience now. In the past if you were a kid who did something "edgy", the rest of the kids would just think you're a moron. Nowadays you can film your escapades and put it on the internet in the name of content creation, and other moron kids can like it and cheer you on.

Vast majority of kids/teens are fine. Social media enables the 5% of morons to get fame, and encourage other moron kids/make certain things look socially acceptable.

While normally I agree and laugh when older generations criticize younger generations for things they like but I draw the line when it comes to threatening others safety and violence.

If you want to make others suffer because you suffered and "turned out ok" - you didn't actually turn out ok.

Ok but those minors didn't need to do what they did to make that happen. The mall DIDN'T have this policy, its chosen it because of this.

Dude some were shooting pellets at people. Are you stupid or just a troll?

I asked an honest question, no need to be rude.

My reply was literally stated in the article. By not knowing that fact you have confirmed that you did not read the article.

Your comments are not valid as you have demonstrated you do not have knowledge on the topic.

I did read the article. This isn't a "gotcha" game to play. If you want meaningless points, go somewhere else.

Maybe you should read the friggin article before posting a bunch of shit.

> I did read the article.

Yet you were surprised by what I said which was IN the article....

Yeah you're a troll. Or illiterate.

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I'm neither, and your repeatedly false claims constitute harassment.

No, you obviously didn't before you made a bunch of your holier-than-thou comments. It's all good though, I bet you're the type of smart ass that can NEVER admit when they're wrong.

Oh, come off it. Don't come at me like that with your self-righteous bullshit.

Curfews have been enacted in malls across this country since at least the late 90s. And there's no actual evidence they help curbing the behavior you find so abhorrent. It's just supposedly good for retailers.

You don't care what these kids do. You just don't want it where you can see and hear it. NIMBY, right?

It's irresponsible.

LOL you obviously keep ignoring the instances of violence. Keep enabling! Have a great day.

UM I would watch out if I were you, this person you're talking to might claim you're harassing them lmao.

OH NOOOOOOOO....

The truth is that kids have always hung out at the mall, often in large groups, and many times, causing issues. When I was growing up, everyone was concerned about the skaters at the mall and the lakefront, in particular. The bell tower was removed from the dock because people would climb up there, have sex and do drugs. Kids stole from the stores a lot and when the arcade was there, there were always huge groups outside smoking weed & fighting. I wouldn’t say this is a new problem; just a new demographic of kids doing it.

Probably for the best. These kids aren’t buying anything anyway. Just making the experience worse for everyone else.

Possibly - also there are more kids who live nearby than there use to be. And weird shit did occassionally happen at the mall even in the 80s.

Also, main event seems to be problematic.

Mall security can’t arrest I thought - they would need to call HCPD?

I don't think so. I was a shifty teenage mall rat but in the aughts.

This will do nothing to curb shoplifting and just result in massive drops in patronage. Idiots.

The malls that do this end up failing even faster... Amazon is already outcompeting you... Why do this. Lol. Malls are already more expensive we come for the social experience and 75% of them is teens.

My thoughts exactly.

They don't arrest them, they detain you in mall jail or escort you out.

I mean, yeah. And the white kids carrying those scary skateboards. But mostly kids of color. Adults too though, for "looking" too young.

Because your generation had no criminals obviously

There was but not as much as what's going on today perpetrated by minors. Yea the population expanded, and stuff happens doesn't mean they get to be little shits to everyone. If you don't put them in check they may just get put in check by the wrong one.

There are so many rude and hateful teens at the mall, I was shopping for my mom last week and a group of black teens kept following us and screaming "ayo excuse me" for literally no reason. When I asked them to stop they called me a "stupid B****" and laughed and one spit at me. I stress this was for literally NO reason! I was rly uncomfortable and scared. Teens have always gone to the mall but now the demographics have changed and they are all black and they have a more violent culture. I do everything to give them the benefit of the doubt but they act like animals and their parents don't care at all.

sigh I don't want to admit it.... But you're right.... They are all section 8 as well, so maybe that has something to do with it....

You are absolutely 100% correct. There have been many attacks on innocent people. I know of a woman and her young son that were attacked in the Wilde Lake shopping center parking lot last year. Unprovoked attack, there are police reports to prove it, but media doesn’t discuss it. Columbia is becoming very unsafe and I’ve lived here for almost 25 years.

Yeah I’m sympathetic to those who, at first blush, want to say “kids being kids”, but back in the day it was high school kids and it didn’t involve intimidating and harassing adults and kids alike. There’s 12 yos mobbing stores and getting in fights. I have a 12 yo, there’s nothing normal about that behavior for 5th and 6th graders.

Do you have kids?

My father in law (80yo bm) was accosted, asking if he was looking to buy drugs, and then when he told them to leave him be they crowded him and called him all kinds of names.

They can party at your place.

Especially since the Mall is struggling post-COVID and lost many upscale stores. It’s teetering on an edge and having a reputation for tolerating antisocial behavior is just going to push affluent shoppers elsewhere.

Ah, there it is. Went to River Hill.

If the crime goes down and people feel safer, who cares?

So strip clubs can’t ban minors from attending?

You do know that there are places in that very Mall with liquor licenses, right?

People with empathy who don’t agree with profiling.

Curbing shoplifting will happen when the next 20 kids who do it get arrested and aren’t given PBJ.

Aka the people who have stood by while the county has gotten worse and worse all because they’re afraid of solving problems that might result in a few hurt feelings

Yup. That’s the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about or admit. It’s a certain demographic of people that are causing the issues here. I grew up here, been living here since 1989 and it’s gotten progressively worse with the influx of people of that particular demographic. Many exhibit violent, lawless behavior and many are racists that hate white people. Our extremely left wing government officials have hamstrung the police, they aren’t allowed to enforce the law on these people because they don’t want to appear “racist”. This is a slope heading downwards unfortunately. I really do fear for my young kids growing up here

Maybe they are the ones causing problems and there’s a reason for that.

Yes ... didn't really want to go here; but as a society kids are not being taught repercussions of bad behavior and at bit later when they get in real trouble. Its OK to steal, assault and trash peoples property and this behavior tends not to go away for a long time (if ever). And even if juvenile justice does get involved - there is no public visibility - so we really don't know if its working or not.

If you have a point, don't be obtuse.

I worked at that mall for a decade. That’s not it.

YeH it is, you are just too afraid to admit the obvious

Did you create this account just to be racist on this thread? Because that’s hilarious and cowardly. Stand behind your bigotry.

Nope just a new one. Pointing out facts is racist ? I guess that’s the state of the world today.

Your bigotry is an opinion, not a fact.

On Thursday these 2 teenagers came into Bibibop and only bought 1 cup unapologetically taking advantage of the unlimited frozen yogurt machine. THERE ARE RULES PEOPLE

The last few times I went to the mall there are always a large group of teenagers who will play fight or watch these people play fight. I know it’s not malicious as they are laughing, and they are just pushing, but they end up blocking parts of the mall. It’s tends to be the food court or the area around Spencer’s.

I’ve been nearly knocked into by these teens because they are simply not thinking about their surroundings.