Submitted by RBGismypatronus t3_1071sva in ColumbiaMD

Would love some pointers. Our family of four is moving from the Denver area to MD this summer. We have a high schooler w/ a learning disability & IEP who loves film, and a 2nd grader who also has an IEP. We want good schools that do well for kids with disabilities.

  1. I know schools in Howard county are “good,” but which ones are actually good for kids w/ disabilities? High school & elementary.

  2. How is the commute to/from College Park?

  3. Our 9th grader has severe anxiety and is worried he won’t be able to make new friends. Any suggestions for how to help him? Clubs? Libraries? Any teen groups for film enthusiasts?

  4. Speaking of libraries, is there a good library system there? I’m a librarian. It’s important to me.

  5. We’d like to buy a place. Ideal budget is around 400-500k, but we might have to raise the housing budget.

  6. Any other tips on best places to live in Columbia with a family? It’s daunting to try and figure out where to start looking from afar. We’ll make a trip or two out there, but it would be great to have an idea of where to start.

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industrious-elephant t1_j3k3w49 wrote

Hi! I can speak to a few items:

  1. The commute to CP is not bad by city standards. If you'll be working at the university, I would recommend using the UMD DOTS 142 bus or the Camden Marc train line. Traffic can be slow at peak hours, but average commute to the university would be about 30 minutes.

  2. I'm not a librarian, but our family loves the Howard County libraries! Excellent facilities, great programming for all ages, and very welcoming. Another neat thing about Maryland is that you can get reciprocal memberships across the state. If you go to another county's branch, you just have them add your HC library card number to a record in their system and you can check out books there, too.

5./6. At that price range, you'll probably be looking at a row home--they're more common here than single family homes. It's also important to know that if you buy within Columbia city limits, you'll have steep HOA fees. I'd recommend looking in Fulton, North Laurel, and Savage.

Best of luck navigating the move, and welcome to the area!

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UnreasonableDoubter t1_j3ln980 wrote

>It's also important to know that if you buy within Columbia city limits, you'll have steep HOA fees.

I want expand on this a bit more since it's important to understand. The Columbia Association (CA) is essentially a large HOA with some unique features.

The CA sets all the usual HOA rules like the external look of the homes, yard maintenance, fence rules, etc. But, they also maintain a large portion of the trail network, the lakes, operate fitness centers and pools, and organize events. If your home is within a CA boundary then you have to pay an additional HOA fee, very rough ballpark I'd say is about $1000/yr for a townhome or single-family. As a result of being a CA member you receive improved pricing on the amenities as shown here.

You may see people referring to the CA as something like a "quasi government". I disagree with that characterization since they don't provide anything resembling basic government services. I tend to think of them as if a YMCA merged with an HOA.

There are also homes and whole communities in Columbia which do not fall under the CA umbrella and thus not charged the annual CA dues. These are referred to as "out parcels". Sewells Orchard is one example. Realtors will often highlight this fact in their listings, for example and another.

I'm personally biased towards Sewells Orchard since I lived there for awhile (now in western Howard County). It has nice balance, no CA fee, direct trail access, it's own (albeit small) lake park, no through streets, and otherwise easy access to everything Columbia has to offer. If you are able to come and explore I'd recommend checking it out. I'd also recommend checking out at least one of the other lakes (Wilde Lake, Kittamaqundi, or Elkhorn), the new downtown Merriweather district for a bite to eat, Blandair or Centennial Parks, and downtown Ellicott City.

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jules9687 t1_j3k4fky wrote

I used to commute from Columbia to College Park. You want to be as close to Rte 29 as possible because I95 and the beltway stink for commuting. When I commuted to College Park, I was near 100 and 29, which was fine, but I wish I had been closer to 29 and 32. The commute up 29 after the 32 merge gets real backed up, so it's nice to be able to get off there. There are lots of great communities along that stretch like Fulton, Kings Contrivance, River Hill, etc.

Also, hi, I'm a librarian too! Howard County has an excellent library system, and we're surrounded by other great library systems (Prince George's, Montgomery, and Baltimore counties), and I've taken advantage of some of their services, though I get most of what I need from Howard. My experience with using Howard's library services is mostly limited to adult resources and little kids classes, so I do not have experience with what you're looking for, but check their classes list. . Also, our Parks and Rec has amazing programming, and I think likely more what you're looking for. Check out a recent seasonal guide for sampling (they have it divided up by age ranges), and they are good about accommodations.

I'll also throw out that the job market for librarians is super competitive in this region, but there's also more job availability given the number of special libraries in/around DC. As a librarian I'm most familiar with special libraries in the region, but I'm an avid user of our public libraries and happy to answer questions.

I have one kid in a Howard County school, but can't speak to IEP treatment, though I've heard from others it can be a mixed bag. The schools here are great, but I grew up in another state and didn't see half the resources available here, so I always feel biased and get a little cranky when people start nit-picking between Howard schools.

Good luck on the upcoming move!

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avocado-toast t1_j3lpomf wrote

Yep, agree with you that 29 & 32 is the sweet spot. Hickory Ridge is another good area to check out, in addition to KC.

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rkdwd t1_j3th1hy wrote

Third agree that the 29/32 area is the right one for this commute. There are several options to get down to CP, and if you’re a UMD employee they may still do the bus to campus. You may need to up your budget however.

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Zealousideal_Tea3214 t1_j3kg07h wrote

I’ll second King’s contrivance as a sweet spot. We agonized over where to land and I’m thrilled with our spot. The forest land surrounding us is just heaven. But there are other excellent neighborhoods, we also liked hickory ridge, but KC nudged it out for access to everything and walkability.

Columbia in general has a little bit of everyone but intention. IMO avoid the top of the top of the top schools if your kid is worried about finding friends or has some anxiety issues. Strangely, some of the “less good” schools may have more resources for you.

400-500k isn’t a terrible budget and if you’re willing to do a little upgrading on your own you’re in single-family house range, maybe barely.

Look up Columbia on misc. best places to live lists, they’re not inaccurate IME.

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obidamnkenobi t1_j3lrnqu wrote

Looking at recent listings around me in KC, if OP could up the budget to $500 - 550k it would open more options in SFH, at least in this area. If not townhouses seem to be a bit less.

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zmnatz t1_j3lxa5m wrote

Seconding this. For townhouses, OP budget is more than fine (and they are plentiful in KC). We were outbid on almost every SFH we looked at in the 500-550k range.

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zmnatz t1_j3lx4gr wrote

Thirding King's contrivance. It's ideal for getting onto 95S quickly for getting to College Park. Lived there for about a decade before moving. That said, 400-500k is tough in the area for a single family home these days. That's why we ended up buying in Elkridge. Townhouses are easily doable in the 300 to 400k range and there are loads of playgrounds along the trail system to make up for the lack of large backyards with those.

Also the libraries are amazing here u/RBGismypatronus. We are in walking distance of one now and our kids absolutely love it.

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btiggemann t1_j3kc1f6 wrote

Moved to Ellicott City from Denver back in 2014, it’s been a great experience and we love it on the east coast.

Commutes are reasonable to College Park as others have mentioned. Plenty of great options for schools, and in my opinion, even an average Howard County school is superior to the best from Denver metro.

Your price range for housing will get you a decent townhome or an older sfr that will need plenty of updates.

Most importantly, good luck with your move! If you need a recommendation for a real estate broker, let me know. I work in commercial real estate and have a few residential agents I can recommend.

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Poodleblock t1_j3l6z5c wrote

I can speak to your concerns with IEPs at the high school level. My son goes to Oakland Mills high school, and he’s getting a huge amount of support. I’m frankly thrilled, as I have not heard good things about the more academically competitive high schools when it comes to IEPs. His elementary school has changed quite a bit in leadership and personnel since he was there, so I don’t know how they would be for your little one.

I was also pleased with the help he got at Oakland Mills Middle. Some personnel changed between last year and this year, but most is the same. A friend likes the new psychologist quite a bit.

The neighborhoods that feed directly into OMHS are Thunder Hill, Talbott Springs, and Stevens Forest. Your budget will be just fine in those neighborhoods.

Please feel free to DM me if you have any questions.

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Poodleblock t1_j3lyc78 wrote

To be clear, those 3 neighborhoods feed into OMHS through OMMS. I don’t have any experience with other middle schools that feed into OMHS.

Also, a new high school is opening next year, so keep that if your 9th grader staying at the same school throughout his high school career is important.

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keenlyproper_demeanr t1_j3k9fmz wrote

I can only speak for the commute. I stay in South Columbia (Kings Contrivance) and commute to College Park 3 days a week. It takes around 40 minutes during the busiest time of the day. The commute is not bad at all. If you start early, 7-7.15 am, you are looking at 25 to 30 mins.

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2ndRoundExit t1_j3l5jgk wrote

Just moved from Columbia to Denver early 2022, went to UMD

The commute isn't great, you want to make sure you're taking 95 and not 295 if you're commuting in rush hour

Theres way more cars/traffic than we have on I25 but people generally don't have a deathwish so it's not too bad

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EibberRebbie t1_j3k5mky wrote

I commuted from Columbia to College Park daily for about two years — commute time depends on time of day and traffic accidents. Anticipate about 45 minutes plus. You’ll likely take 95N to the 495 split which can be notoriously backed up. This was precovid though, so commutes may be different now!

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ladyflyer88 t1_j3k4jzj wrote

  1. Driving is 45 mins-1hr to College Park. You have the Marc Station at Dorsey which can be a option but takes awhile also.
  2. Columbia has tons of activities for every age group we get booklets every quarter with all the classes and activities going on.
  3. Libraries are good, much better than Fl. They have lots of activities, ebooks, video games and even a 3D printer.
  4. 400-500K should be okay, housing pricing has not really started to fall in the area but there is so much more on the market now then last year.
  5. Columbia is really changing. It used to be all original owners who are 60-90 yrs old now. These people over the last 5 years have been dying, moving in with family or retirement homes. The house now are being filled with people in there 30s-40 year olds. In the last 5 years all the houses on my street have sold but two. It is really amazing. That being said there is a lot of children on my street now, several babies and a handful of older kids.
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AntcuFaalb t1_j3knhm7 wrote

I guess it depends on where in Columbia and College Park, but I commute daily from Bryant Woods to Metzerott Rd by car at 9AM and it rarely takes longer than 25-30 minutes.

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duelingsith t1_j3o0ww8 wrote

It's important to know that the area works on a county basis, not city basis. County government, county school district, county libraries, etc. Hoco encompasses more than just Columbia, so it might help to broaden your search into other parts of the county. Savage, jessup, elkridge, Fulton, North Laurel, Ellicott City...in some of these places you could purchase a single family home in your range. Columbia may have more walkability with the trail system and may be more central, but that comes with a high price of Columbia Association or other homeowner fees. All schools have strong special education programs and systems, but I'm sure any differences you would notice would be because of the special educator, the special Ed team leader, or possibly administration. Also, in a huge district like Howard county, redistricting is a thing that comes up every few years, so don't get married to one particular feeder school, because your school path may change (there's been a ton of NIMBY complaints over the years regarding some of the redistricting decisions, we'll say). So, broaden your horizons to other parts of the county would be my recommendation (speaking as someone who moved here a few years ago from out of state). The library system is incredible, with several branches throughout the county. The Elkridge branch even has a DIY center with classes, tool check outs, 3d printing (I believe), and more. The library also offers a TON of classes and events for kids and teens. If you walk in, the chalkboard will be FULL of things going on that week...I saw an anime club recently. There's also a ton of activities through the county in the summertime based on interest and ages. I would honestly think they have a film class or something like that, because we get a magazine every year of their offerings. Check out https://www.howardcountymd.gov/recreation-parks/programs to see what parks and rec have.

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neofresh t1_j3k3cld wrote

  1. Don’t know.

  2. You have three choices going south, I95, MD29 or US1. You are looking at somewhere between 30-45 mins.

  3. Don’t know

  4. Yes! There is a awesome library system here and in MD in general.

  5. Inventory is tighter than usual but you’ll find something in that price range.

  6. Columbia is arranged in villages that somewhat correspond to the schools zones. Columbia works hard to diversify its populations which includes socioeconomic levels. People break their necks so their kids can go to Atholton HS while avoiding Long Reach HS. It’s a personal thing. The whole system is pretty damn good.

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Limerase t1_j3k48a1 wrote

OMHS has one of the regional programs for Special Education.

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User_McAwesomeuser t1_j3lz3ve wrote

Sometimes I see UM shuttles in the Broken Land Park and Ride. I wonder if those might work for the commute to College Park?

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freecain t1_j3n8jwt wrote

Some great thoughts re: where to look. I recently met the woman at Atholton Elementary School who works with pre-school students, most of whom have learning disabilities, and she LOVES her job and school for whatever that is worth.

College park is going to have some heavy traffic. Use google maps on a computer and set the "arrive by" time to get a fairly accurate estimate. Know some days will go up, so a 25-45 minute estimated commute in that direction can hit extra traffic and be 1 hour. If you can depart after 9am it will drastically reduce driving time. Earlier departures don't help as much, but if you can avoid rush hour it will help.

There are a ton of camps and programs offered by Columbia Association and Howard County. There is also the opportunity to take classes at the community college - both for credit and for fun.

Library system is well funded and I think phenomenal. The East and Main branch are modern and rather nice. We don't have those soaring classical libraries (Columbia was built in the 70s) but it's also not the dumpy brick building smelling like mildew either.

400-500k is a tough budget. You're solidly in the range for town houses in some of the smaller older developments (the new ones are insanely priced). Houses up now start in the 500s and go up. However, if you're stretching your budget, remember your income taxes are probably going to be higher than Colorado, and a lot of the houses incur an additional fee for being assessed Columbia Association - a few grand a year, set based on your house's value. This does not include a CA membership, which is annoying that's an additional fee if you want to use the pools and gyms. I don't mind paying it since it goes towards maintaining about 95 miles of bike trails, a ton of tot lots and playgrounds, and a bunch of tennis courts.

Tips for the area are tough. I spent three years renting in Ellicott City before buying in Columbia - and we still spent a solid year house hunting. Sorry - it's going to be overwhelming... but your price point and commute sort of limits what's available - so just keep watching for newly available places.

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bluelily216 t1_j3nryt4 wrote

I live in Ellicott City (next to Columbia, also in Howard County), and my youngest son has a learning disability. He received extraordinary care in elementary, middle, and now high school. He went to Hollifield Elementary, Pataspco Middle, and Mount Hebron High. Houses in this area start around $550k.

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noneedfordetails2 t1_j4wlrjn wrote

The one thing that I haven't really seen in theses comments regarding schools is you should find a home as close to the school of your choice as possible. The reason being is that HoCo is notorious for ridiculous school redistricting, e.g. you could have neighbors on a single street going to two different schools (one close and one far). Furthermore, even if you have one child going to one school, the sibling may be forced to attend a different school further away years later. Best of luck.

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howard_co_realtor t1_j4xwziu wrote

Hi! I sent you a chat message. Just following up as sometimes the notification is not turned on. :)

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