Submitted by Jonny_Balls t3_126v2wj in Connecticut
The charge is nothing sexual/violent/drugs. If anyone is REALLY that concerned I can send you the case. Thanks all. I just need a damn job I have a son I need to get back to living with me when I get out of living in a car. He’s with his uncle right now.
Sorry for all the craziness, all. All I want to do is make money.
Absolutely. Landscape companies will be looking for tons of help soon. Do good work, and you can make some decent money. If you go this route, drink tons of water. Dehydration is no joke.
Agreed and from experience I can say I’ve worked with plenty of people with records. Lots of places will look past it. A lot of places will give you overtime this time of year also.
were you open and up front with your employer about this court case? I'm assuming no conviction and sentence has been handed down yet from the sound of things.
Been busting my ass on indeed but thanks
Busting your Johnny balls even, keep at it dude. Just do construction or any of the brick layers etc. type jobs.
You may be a hardened criminal with a felon rap sheet 4 miles long. But you are doing the right thing!
I think a lot of people with your background work construction or drive a tow truck
I actually just got a call I’m starting a construction job on Monday that’s part time and after they see how I can do it could go to full time.
Weirs thing is that they just talked o me and said ok come here Monday at 8:30 for work. I hope im not being played….apparently it’s an inspection company. Im gonna be a laborer. Do inspection companies need laborers? We never even discussed how I will get paid.
It was an old white guy. Don’t think he would be pulling a scam
There’s not much more you can prove in a face to face interview than you can by phone when it comes to skilled trades.. think of your part time work as the interview. They’ll be testing your skills. If they bump you to full time then you’re actually hired. Good luck!
Thanks!
I think a lot of people with his background work in the finance industry. He's clearly a white collar criminal, right? No sex drugs or violence. What's left? Just scamming?
Not sexual, violence or drugs so it must have been felony theft?
Why are you telling us sorry? This is your life. I wish you the best, maybe someone will hook you up off here but you need a connection in for sure.
Sorry because I told everyone I got a job in a happy post.
It’s not theft. It’s damage to property that I lived in with my ex, place was fucked up when I got there and she got evicted and we both got charged with criminal damage to property, then she died. My sons mother.
I would suggest writing the employer explaining the situation, accepting that you understand that the answer may still be no, but you’re hoping they can consider giving you a chance.
Probably won’t work, but definitely won’t hurt. The other thing to consider depending on what part of the country you’re in, and your beliefs/morals, but churches are fairly well known for providing people with opportunities that they may not get otherwise. If you’re willing to go to church regularly it might turn out to be a good way to find work.
I’m not religious, and personally probably wouldn’t do this, but I know a fair amount of successful people that found their calling and got their business started with church connections.
OMG.....I am very sorry.
Like someone replied to you get a letter written, maybe by a professional if possible. That really blows man.
Check out TriWire Engineering in Newtown. I did not have a record myself, but my boss there was pretty understanding about people who had past convictions. (i cannot say for certain it is still the case, this was in 2009ish)
That’s a bit of a drive unfortunately
I got a bud that works for a well drilling company. He has a background. I also know someone who is a machine operator for a construction company (also with a record). Both make enough to have their own place, car and take decent vacations.
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Either of them hiring?
If u google drilling companies, u will get a bunch of hits. Busy season is starting so just search and call
What are your personal skills and or passions
I work on cars and just about everybody ive ever worked with has a record a mile long. Try to get into the field, lube tech is a great start. some places pay 18/hr starting. Im 6 years in and make great money
Came here to say the same. Someone I was really close with was a felon and worked at a dealership for a long time. Multiple other lube techs also had records. It was good money & most are willing to put you through school or train you to get further within the job. They also worked for Amazon before their charges were cleared. Lots of people there also had something on their background checks.
Dude call the international union of bricklayers and allied craft workers in wallingford.
You'll start at over 20/hr. Pension, insurance, annuity and good pay.
They don't care about court cases or felonies, it's construction.
Damn that’s my town I’m gonna do that for sure
go for it bro! look into brickwork vs concrete work and see which one you'd like more.
On a side note, if both seem like stuff you don't want to do you can become a tile setter as well - they just don't advertise that.
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Had to leave my last job because of differences with my fucking boss -Frank Rizzo true story
You want me to bring my fuckin' tools?!
Lol tell me your genx without telling me
Try a staffing agency. Aerotek is generally pretty good at placing quick. Jaci Carroll and Hamilton Connections almost certainly place people with records based on what I have seen at past jobs.
Starbucks and chilis hire felons.
Any roofing company
Bozzutos in Cheshire maybe. Town Fair Tire I'm almost positive hires ex-cons.
That’s the thing I’m not an ex-con. I’m in a weird limbo rn
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Charged no conviction yet
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I’m in central ct I guess I would call it, I have been in labor type jobs my whole life, warehouse, forklifts, done some construction kind of
If you can talk well you can make a killing at a car dealership.
Settle down that’s another felony! /s I’ll see myself out
Yardscapes (https://www.yardscapeslandscape.com/) in New Milford has a "Now Hiring" sign out in front of their building as of this afternoon. :-)
For now try a temp agency.
Maintenance department at the CTDOT. If you have. CDL or willing to get one, you would have no issues getting a job
Amazon - it’s semi shitty pay for a lot of physical and mentally draining work but there’s room to move up if you want to
Try a temp agency. They found me a good job where I saved enough money to pay for my CDL and everything has been good ever since.
Edit: Trash companies need laborers. Note this is extremely back breaking work. In this industry I worked with bank robbers, murderers, gang members, sex offenders, etc. The trucking industry as a whole is very welcoming of everybody.
steamfitters union, electricians unions. Call and look for apprenticeships to get a foot in the door. Benefits, retirement and wages.
A lot of fast food places hire despite a criminal background, based on a sibling's experience.
You keep mentioning this damn charge of yours at this point I’m sure we would all like to know wth you did or being accused of
I already mentioned it, look up
Damn smh didn’t see it but don’t give up if you have a car door dash until you can find something
FHI in Manchester is always hiring because the turnover rate is so high. They hire anyone and pay weekly. You just have to put up with annoying micro-managing supes.
Possibly try the Aqua Turf Club in Southington? They are often looking for staff.
Candlewick kennels will hire literally anyone, and won’t fire you unless you do something monumentally stupid
What’s that place do?
Like a dog hotel that also does dog walks and doggy daycare. It’s not really a place you got and intend to stay at, but it’s good for college students like me living with my parents and with some free time to work. It’s also a good place to work when searching for other places because it’s so easy to get hired, and so hard to get fired unless your trying to. There’s pretty much zero upward Mobility though. And if your thinking of giving it a shot, remember to bring your own ear plugs. It’s loud and echoey.
Like one of my coworkers doesn’t even come in like a third of the time, doesn’t call in to tell them before hand that he won’t be there , and they don’t even ask him why to my knowledge.
Trucking or garbage companies
What is your background and work experience as far as employment? GED? High school grad? Vocational? College? Driving record? What's on your criminal background?
Moroso in Guilford always has a sign off 95 looking for people
I’m gonna recommend you be as upfront as possible and you may be able filter job searches where employers are hiring people with criminal records.
Pretty much every restaurant is hiring and paying higher wages than ever before.
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Amazon will hire anyone
They denied me once a long time ago
Try again they lowered their standards recently
In most states it's not legal to withhold an offer of work based on something that is pending. Is this an ongoing case or were you convicted of something?
What are you basing this claim on?
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Eeoc guidelines.
Actually nevermind, I’ll show you.
> The fact of an arrest does not establish that criminal conduct has occurred. Arrest records are not probative of criminal conduct, as stated in the Commission's 1990 policy statement on Arrest Records. However, an employer may act based on evidence of conduct that disqualifies an individual for a particular position.
The only thing I see in EEOC guidelines is that employers are supposed to treat people with similar convictions in a similar manner. Nothing prohibits or even necessarily discourages employers from refusing to hire people with pending charges.
That is correct. As you showed yourself, an arrest isn't a valid reason and in application - in many states, refusing a job on the basis of an unrelated conviction can be grounds for discrimination.
But they CAN use an arrest as a reason not to hire someone if they determine that the alleged conduct makes the applicant a bad fit for the position.
Solely for an arrest - in most cases no. For a conviction, yes - they can.
You do realize that employers don't need to tell you why they aren't hiring you, right? If I have a job opening and 10 people apply, I'm not calling the other 9 with a specific reason why they aren't hired.
Correct they don't need to tell you. I never said otherwise.
Can you show me where?
So that says pretty much what the link I posted says which is essentially that arrests alone shouldn’t be the basis for refusing to hire someone but you can refuse to hire based the alleged conduct if it disqualifies the applicant for the position or if you Decide the conduct is a good reason not to hire them.
Yes, and I responded accordingly as you posted it.
Ok, so we agree that pending charges can be used as a reason not to hire someone. Awesome.
No, we don't agree. I literally just said for just an arrest - no. Only a conviction and only if it's related.
But you just read the same thing I did where the EEOC says they can use an arrest as the basis not to hire someone.
And as I said, it clearly states in there that an arrest is not an indicator of what I'm doing. Arresting is almost never used as a basis, and when it is, and it's challenged, the employer typically finds themselves in trouble. So again, being arrested for something is not in and of itself a valid reason. A conviction can be, but even then there has to be a connection and the article literally says, "An employer cannot refuse to hire people simply because they have been arrested."
It literally says the employer can determine that the conduct at issue in the arrest is a reason not to hire if it makes the person not fit for the position.
And get real, employers aren’t telling you the reason they don’t hire you. There is nothing that actually prevents them from just deciding a candidate with pending charges “isn’t a good fit” and just not calling them back.
And this is where critical thought, and the ability to think outside the box needs to come into your equation. By your own words, it is not the arrest that can be used against a person, but rather their behavior during the process. A person who resist arrest and say attacks the cop in the process, would be a problem. But in that situation, the issue isn't that they were arrested, the issue was that they chose to say attack the cop. You're reading what it says, now I need you to pay attention to what it says.
You are playing semantics. You can't just admit that this happens routinely and is justified by the very guidelines you claim prohibit it. Very weird.
I'm not playing semantics at all. That's literally what it says. Word for word. No reading between the lines, no personal interpretation. I've spent last 30 professional years working in employment law for corporations that have locations not only internationally, but in 25 states, including CT, in the us. I deal with this literally on a daily basis. Aside from being able to read what the EEOC literally says in black and white, I also have three decades of practical experience. I know what I'm talking about. If you choose to dismiss all that because you want the answer to be something else, that's your prerogative. Have at it my friend.
Trying to separate the conduct of the arrest from the arrest itself, in this context, is playing semantics. The result is the same for the applicant.
You and I both know that even if the EEOC outright banned using the facts of an arrest/pending charges as a basis not to hire, there is almost never going to be a way to prove that's what happened because employers aren't required to, and don't volunteer, information about why candidates aren't selected.
It's not playing semantics, and again it's literally what it says. And again, for what it's worth, you're talking to somebody who spent 30 years dealing with among other things, this very question. I'm telling you from experience that what it says is how it's implemented. Now at the end of the day, if reading the language literally from the EEOC isn't enough to convince you, if hearing it from an employment law specialist with 30 years of experience on how this is actually implemented is it enough to convince you, then I don't know what else to tell you. You have my permission to believe whatever you want, godspeed. I just hope whatever your job is, it doesn't involve making hiring decisions on behalf of your employer. Because if you are making hiring decisions based on the simple fact of whether or not a person was or wasn't arrested for something, you're exposing not only your employer to some serious liability, but depending upon the state you're in you're exposing yourself personally to liability as well. Do with that what you will.
Okay, so let me clarify that I think this practice is messed up but that does not mean it isn't routine. For the record, "law specialist" I am a lawyer, I practice criminal defense and I have dozens of clients who are in the same boat as OP. They file applications and can't even get a call for an interview. No one is telling them "we saw you have pending charges and we won't hire you because of that." They just aren't getting calls. It doesn't take a genius to understand that those things are related and that there is nothing preventing this from happening all the damn time.
You might get some corporate case once in a blue moon where an applicant was making their way through the hiring process and picked up an arrest and suddenly the employer loses interest and you get to make an argument that they didn't strictly follow the EEOC guidelines, but I've got 10 clients every day who tell me they're applying everywhere and can't even get a call back because employers do a google search or check the judicial website and see they have open cases. No one in the employment law sector is even going to hear about a 10th of those cases, let alone try to litigate them.
I'm happy you're a lawyer. While I'm not a practicing lawyer, I do have law degrees as well, and I specialize in employment law. From a corporate perspective, this isn't something that comes up once in a blue moon. We have 200,000 employees. We get background check issues that come up probably 5 to 6 times a week every week. I'm very happy that you're a lawyer, but that doesn't mean your take on this is correct either. Being a criminal defense lawyer does not mean that you are practiced in the hiring practices of corporations, being a criminal defense lawyer does not mean that you understand on a daily basis how those laws are applied. So once again, I'm going to make a distinction that, if you actually are a lawyer, should be relatively easy for you to understand. No employer anywhere, is going to use the simple fact that somebody was arrested, as a basis not to hire them. And the reason for that is twofold. Once again, the EEOC clearly says not to do that. Secondly, and again if you actually are a criminal defense lawyer you should know this better than anybody, a person is innocent until proven guilty. An arrest is not an indicator of guilt. So one more time, take whatever law practice you may or may not have, but get yourself a slightly better corporate understanding. This is applying hiring practices to corporations. This isn't a criminal defense area, this is an employment law area.
You aren't actually listening to what I'm telling you the issue is, so it's pretty pointless for me to keep spinning my wheels but I'll try one last time.
I asked you where the information came from because I was hoping there was something I could direct my clients to in order to help them. But there is nothing in the EEOC guidelines that is going to prevent employers from simply not calling an applicant back when they see pending charges. They don't have to explain that decision to anyone. But everyone knows why, and I think you know exactly what would happen if one of my clients went to an employment lawyer and said "I'm not getting any calls back on my applications and I think it's because I have pending charges."
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I deleted that last comment cuz that wasn't fair of me to say that. It is entirely possible that you are an attorney, you're just talking about a legal specialty that isn't in your wheelhouse and therefore you don't understand how it is practically applied. So forgive me for saying that. But I still stand by what I said, I've been doing this for 30 years, this is in fact exactly how it works - and your criminal law experience that to the extent that you have it - is not applicable to say that you are an expert on this particular field of law.
Okay, PM me your firm's info so I can send all my clients to you when they can't get calls back from all the applications they send out.
I literally never said, implied, or suggested I am an expert in employment law. I've told you about the real issues my clients face with this, and you're basically telling me "nah, can't happen." So let me send them to you.
Yeah, nice try. Your attempt at his anger there is falling just about as flat as your argument has. Like I said, an international organization with 200,000 employees. Every one of our jobs is publicly posted on multiple job boards. If you have clients that are looking for a job, have them apply for any job they see that they think they're a fit for and despite your desire to have people discriminate against them for having an arrest record, we'll actually treat them fairly. think I made my point. Have a great day.
I'm not angry. You're telling me you can solve this problem for my clients, I'm telling you they could use the help.
And I'm telling you your best bet is to tell them to apply for any job that they see for which they believe they are qualified. If one of those jobs happens to be with my organization, they're going to have no issues about getting the job simply because they have an arrest record. For your part as their attorney, direct them to an employment law attorney who can help them fight the jobs they are in getting simply because of an arrest record. As a criminal defense lawyer you're unlikely in a position to be able to help them with defending their legal rights, but an employment law attorney can do so. So direct them to them because those other companies need to be set straight if they are in fact engaging in that discriminatory practice.
See, I know you weren't actually hearing me because you're telling me to have them do exactly what they're already doing.
>those other companies need to be set straight if they are in fact engaging in that discriminatory practice.
Again, zero way to prove this is happening, but everyone knows it's happening.
I am listening to what you're saying. And there is a way to prove it, if it's actually happening. If they have no proof that that's what the issue is, then they don't know that it's actually happening. The fact that it's difficult to prove doesn't mean that it is or isn't happening. It's simply means it is difficult to prove. Again, a good employment lawyer can take the facts and dig out the truth if the truth is there to be found because that is literally the job of a lawyer. So yes I am listening to you, now you need to listen to me - hook them up with the good employment attorney.
I am sure my indigent clients will go running to the nearest employment lawyer in the hopes that they will somehow find a way to prove that they aren't getting calls because employers are inappropriately applying EEOC guidelines that flat out say the conduct at issue can be used as a basis not to hire them.
Again, if you really are a lawyer, then you know the fault with that statement that you just made. That is law, and that's how it works. There's nothing I can do to help you, or your clients with that.
That's exactly my point. This happens routinely and there is nothing you or anyone else can do to stop it.
I don't know what else to say to you at this point other than to say that as an attorney, your answer should not be it happens and there's nothing nobody can do about it. That's not a particularly good attitude to have, and it also isn't true. And so I'm going to State it one more time, and then I'm going to drop out because now this conversation really is spinning its meals. Nothing is easy to prove, especially claims of discrimination. But if you go to the right attorney, tell them your case, and there's something there to be found Dash that attorney will find it and will run with it. Again, if you actually are a criminal defense attorney, you may be the best one in the state - but that's not what your clients need for this particular issue. Help them with whatever arrest issues they have, but for this issue they don't need a criminal defense attorney, they need an employment attorney. Don't make the decision for somebody else as to whether or not the case can or can't be proven. Either take it on yourself and do the investigating to find out, or give it to somebody who specializes in this particular branch of the law and let them make the decision. You owe it to whatever clients you have to give them the best legal advice. I'm not a practicing attorney, but I am legally trained on this matter and I'm giving you what is at least at the core of what is the best legal advice.
I'm explaining to you the real obstacles that my clients face. They are indigent, they are trying, and they get nowhere. For you to come in and just say "nah this doesn't happen and if it does just hire an employment lawyer" is like, peak privilege.
I'm sorry man I'm trying not to say this, but I'm really doubting that "I'm a criminal attorney" statement you made there, but again, I have no idea who you are so what do I know. Look I've given you the right answer, I've even tried to explain to you what your obligation is to your own clients. Do it that information what you will - but at this point we now really are simply wasting each other's time. Have a great
I don’t care what you believe about my job, “employment law specialist.”
Okay "criminal defense attorney."
Again, of the two of us, one has clients who may have a complaint about it - one of us has spent 30 years actually doing it.
So that other subthread went way down a rabbit hole that ultimately LED nowhere. Which brings me back to the original post and the original redditor. I'm going to ask again, were you arrested for something, or were you convicted of something? The answer to that question does play a role and whether or not that criminal record can or can't be considered, as well as if it can be considered how it can be considered. Secondly, for the jobs that you didn't get, do you know it was because you have an arrest record, as in they told you you were disqualified because? Or did you simply not get the job, and you're assuming it's because you have in a rest record? If it's the latter, that doesn't mean you're not right, but that means that you're claims will have to be investigated by an attorney and proven. If you know that's the case, as in they sent you an email, or a letter, or even a phone call in which they literally said we liked you but.. well now you have a slam dunk.
You gotta start a business- go get some supplies- go wash some cars- get some customers start a detailing company.
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