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Welcome2FightClub t1_jdh9e96 wrote

The recent rise of antisemitism in this country is alarming.

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katiejim t1_jdhdudj wrote

Wonder which sort of people are so focused on George Soros and New World Order conspiracy theories?

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poboy212 t1_jdhoo7d wrote

It’s almost as if an entire political party is openly endorsing bigotry and anti-semitism ….

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flatdanny t1_jdhb3mf wrote

Alarming, but not surprising, considering the makeup of today's republican party

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dfeld1989 t1_jdhdzrs wrote

Antisemitism is unfortunately prevalent in both party's. This is not a political matter IMO. (See MTG on one end and your Rashida Talibs and Ilhan Omars on the other)

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DisgruntledDiggit t1_jdhgbdz wrote

What did Talib and Omar say or do that was antisemitic? I know they publicly decried the state of Israel, but am not aware of. Anything explicitly anti-Jewish from them.

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FFPatrick t1_jdhjff5 wrote

Omar: https://www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/03/01/ilhan-omar-anti-semitic-slur-1199495 or just google Ilhan Omar antisemitism. Her own party has called her out multiple times

Talib: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3654510-house-democrat-slams-tlaib-for-antisemitic-remarks-on-israel/amp/ again, called out by democrats

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DisgruntledDiggit t1_jdhl18o wrote

So Talib was called an antisemitic for calling Israel an apartheid state. I’d have to agree with her, and I am Jewish. Again, criticizing Israel is NOT criticizing Jews.

And Omar was called antisemitic for saying that US politicians pushing for pro-Israeli policy at the expense of the United States was showing allegiance to a foreign state. Again, I’d agree.

You k ow what’s antisemitic? Conflating Israel with all Jews.

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dfeld1989 t1_jdhj7rn wrote

Google it... ("it's all about the benjamins" "getting a calming feeling about the holocaust"..) and I'm sure you've heard about jewish space lasers at the other end of the political aisle. The point is can we for once not politicize something? This isn't a party politics issue.

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DisgruntledDiggit t1_jdhkfut wrote

No, I won’t google it. You made a claim, you back it up with a source.

If you turned in a paper and the bibliography was just “google it”, you’d fail that class.

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[deleted] t1_jdhlko5 wrote

I did b/c I didn't believe a good faith argument was incoming. One was way out of context and the other was commentary on politicians and lobbying groups that blindly support the state of Israel.

I will capitulate, though, that the holocaust comment was clumsily said and Talib probably should have though a bit more before speaking.

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[deleted] t1_jdhkbpd wrote

>"getting a calming feeling about the holocaust"
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>"it's all about the benjamins"

The first is being taken out of context, although clumsily said. The second has nothing to do with Jews and all about the people who blindly support state of Israel.

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Jackers83 t1_jdhiwea wrote

Lols, they did nothing to disparage the Israeli citizens. They criticized the state.

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usernamedunbeentaken t1_jdho4dr wrote

So funny....liberals and democrats only think anti-semitism exists from white christians. Muslim or black anti-semitism doesn't raise an eyebrow.

Because in reality, they don't care about anti-semitism, they just care about politics and trying to make themselves feel superior to the other side.

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EarthExile t1_jdim0kr wrote

Black antisemitism isn't doing Kanye any favors now, is it?

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vitalvisionary t1_jdhxazx wrote

If Omar is antisemitic for what she said than so is Bernie Sanders for agreeing with her.

There's a big difference voting for someone who happens to criticize Israel and voting in someone who thinks Jews control the weather with space lasers.

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Pruedrive t1_jdhj21v wrote

It's not just antisemitism too.. so much hate going around for other minorities and folks in the LGBTQA community as well. I don't believe it's a swelling of ranks in hateful people, rather they feel more emboldened to act out.

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IndicationOver t1_jdj621g wrote

> I don't believe it's a swelling of ranks in hateful people, rather they feel more emboldened to act out.

Exactly this right here. Blame social media platforms.

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1234nameuser t1_jdi7s7a wrote

is it recent or has it not been kicking around since the 2014 Gaza War?

I recall a big spike that year

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Raynosaurus t1_jdhehgh wrote

Discrimination is wrong - living in a big society does however come with the challenge of having some extreme viewpoints that are going to be lingering around. To put it into perspective, if there were 68 incidents (and let's assume each incident was 5 unique perpetrators) then once every 5 days 0.0094% of the population of CT decided to discriminate against a Jewish person, objectively bad but not alarming imo. Fund education!

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mlassoff t1_jdhq6cz wrote

Harassment is not discrimination. Intimidation is not discrimination. Don’t conflate them in an effort to excuse antisemitism.

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Raynosaurus t1_jdhr90w wrote

Lmao don't be semantic about my usage of 'discrimination', I'm agreeing that unjust treatment of people based on something about them is wrong and you are still trying to paint me as saying something bad. Fuck off.

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Coincel_pro t1_jdhsiya wrote

I bet the numbers on probability of a micropenis are even lower yet here you are.

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Jackers83 t1_jdhir8f wrote

I don’t really know why people are downvoting you for this. Not like it means anything tho.

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vitalvisionary t1_jdhu58k wrote

He's mollifying hate crimes as "discrimination." Discrimination is not letting certain people in your business, not seeking out people to victimize. There's a difference. Not knowing that difference is ignorance. Plus he's trying to downplay it as a "diversity" problem and not that big a deal per capita. These are common tactics of people like fucker carlson who then slip in more extreme rhetoric over time.

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Jackers83 t1_jdhwc4x wrote

Do you think it’s possible this person just used the word discrimination instead of “hate crime?” Also, they’re not downplaying anything. This person is clearly acknowledging that there is always some amount of perpetual racism, bigotry etc. in no way or form is this redditor defending incorrigible behavior at all. They may be guilty of using an inadequate word. That’s it.

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vitalvisionary t1_jdhyc5i wrote

>This person is clearly acknowledging that there is always some amount of perpetual racism, bigotry etc.

Ok but that wasn't all he said. Taken as a whole it's excusing it as just a byproduct of society. That's an awfully convenient thing for people who don't care about or support racism. Like hearing rape statistics and saying "Oh well, boys will be boys!"

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Jackers83 t1_jdhylg8 wrote

It is though. To say there isn’t racism, and prejudices in society is just naive. We can’t make people stop being racist assholes. There is always going to be hate in the world.

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vitalvisionary t1_jdhz1gf wrote

That's defeatist, lazy, and no consolation to victims. I suppose you think we shouldn't do more about rape because there's always going to be rape in the world? Why have cops of people are going to commit crimes anyway? Society will never be perfect but we should always strive for a more perfect union. Kinda the point of the whole thing IMO.

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Jackers83 t1_jdhzhhm wrote

Ya, I don’t think I said or alluded to anything of that nature whatsoever. You really shouldn’t assume too much, or put words in people’s mouths. It’s not cool.

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vitalvisionary t1_jdhzq0u wrote

> We can’t make people stop being racist assholes. There is always going to be hate in the world.

How did I put those words in your mouth? Perhaps you need to work on what you actually mean by that.

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Jackers83 t1_jdi09my wrote

Lols. Would you like me to shoot my racist neighbors?? Or maybe I should burn their house down. I’m certain my children will feel better about me being in prison because I solved racial problems injustice. Cmon, what’re we even talking about here??

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vitalvisionary t1_jdi1aic wrote

How was I advocating for any of that? There are plenty of nonviolent ways to deal with racism. I even made suggestions here in this post. If those are the only options you think there are to racism than you obviously haven't done much research. Maybe start by reading some of MLK's work. He had a lot of good suggestions.

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Jackers83 t1_jdi32ps wrote

Lols. This is absolutely exhausting trying to communicate with you. Have a great day.

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Jackers83 t1_jdi3in3 wrote

No, you’re just making the giant assumption that I condone this kind of shit. Which is absolutely ludicrous.

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vitalvisionary t1_jdi4axb wrote

Hey man, I'm not the one defending the mollifying of racism, you are. I never said I thought you condone it, but you obviously have some things to learn about how racism works in a society. It's a lot more complicated than just someone hating someone who looks different.

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Jackers83 t1_jdi5w2f wrote

“That's defeatist, lazy, and no consolation to victims. I suppose you think we shouldn't do more about rape because there's always going to be rape in the world? Why have cops of people are going to commit crimes anyway? Society will never be perfect but we should always strive for a more perfect union. Kinda the point of the whole thing IMO.” You said this to me.

Ya, again I’d love for you to point out where I mollified anything. Please enlighten us.

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vitalvisionary t1_jdi6cxt wrote

Again?

>We can’t make people stop being racist assholes. There is always going to be hate in the world.

This is mollifying racism. You may be right, you may not be. Declaring this true undermines the efforts of being trying to solve the problem. Even if futile, it is a noble sisyphean task.

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Jackers83 t1_jdi6js1 wrote

No, no it doesn’t. It means I’m being realistic, not idealistic as well as simplistic. You’re a child If you say otherwise.

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vitalvisionary t1_jdi7d9w wrote

And it's not more simplistic to write the problems of the world off as unsolvable? You come off as craven, too afraid of complicated issues and finds ignoring them more convenient. If that's not how you feel you might want to work on how you share your opinion.

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Jackers83 t1_jdi7fxp wrote

Lollls. Craven?? I have a feeling you don’t really know what that word means.

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vitalvisionary t1_jdi7w23 wrote

I'm quite aware. Notice how I used the phrase "too afraid." Maybe I was being redundant. If you think it means something else I suggest googling it.

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Jackers83 t1_jdi7znx wrote

Lolls. I’m still a little unclear how you surmised that I just turn the other cheek to injustices. Now, if you could point that out fir everyone. Thanks

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vitalvisionary t1_jdi8mqj wrote

Dude, come on

>We can’t make people stop being racist assholes. There is always going to be hate in the world.

Imagine applying this logic to the Nazis during WWII. Do you see the issue yet?

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Jackers83 t1_jdi9324 wrote

Are you kidding me??? It is truly amazing the sheer distance that you stretched to reach this conclusion. I’m honestly impressed by it. Haha, are you a contortionist by any chance?? Omg

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vitalvisionary t1_jdi9u48 wrote

Hey how about explaining how this isn't a problematic statement instead of making a silly metaphor about it? Seems like you're trying to distract from explaining yourself beyond a shoulder shrug emoji. If you think bringing up Nazis and WWII isn't relevant in a discussion about antisemitic hate crimes on the rise than I think you're just obtuse.

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Jackers83 t1_jdidcgg wrote

I’m sorry but can’t do this. I’m gonna give myself a lobotomy after going back and forth with you.

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vitalvisionary t1_jdie4q1 wrote

Sorry man, understanding is hard, change is even harder. Even though I disagree with you, you seem like an alright guy. Maybe you took some things I said too personally but this is a subject I am passionate about and know I can come off forceful. I sincerely wish you well.

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