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[deleted] t1_jd394e3 wrote

Yes, and then get rid of tipping.

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Payment-Main t1_jd4qczz wrote

Pay more and get rid of tipping. Tipping jumped the shark when tip jars were first place at counters for walk in.

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F__kCustomers t1_jd6o5rt wrote

Doesn’t matter, I stopped eating out regardless.

Between Food Inflation, Doordash Inflation, and Uber Eats Inflation, I just got tired of seeing the shit on my credit card.

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the-crotch t1_jd3p59u wrote

When tips are factored in most of these people are making well over minimum wage, your plan would cost them

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MrGeekman t1_jd6l9c5 wrote

Why can't they get minimum wage and tips?

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BisexualDisaster29 t1_jd7agqb wrote

They can. But a lot of people today treat tipping like it should be mandatory and get pissy if they don’t get tipped.

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MrGeekman t1_jd7z8cn wrote

I’m pretty sure that’s due to inflation and not getting even minimum wage from their employer.

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the-crotch t1_jd7f6pw wrote

I'm not arguing they shouldn't. I'm arguing if they had to work for minimum wage and no tips it would be a large pay cut.

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pond_minnow t1_jd5hkhj wrote

Precisely why servers fight tooth and nail to keep the tipping system. It ain't about a "fair wage": it's about greed.

Raise prices/wages and abolish tipping IMO.

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the-crotch t1_jd5u3bf wrote

Is wanting more than minimum wage for a really hard job really greed?

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pond_minnow t1_jd5w334 wrote

For low-skilled work? Yeah, it is.

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the-crotch t1_jd5ymyy wrote

Well they're making more than minimum wage currently, and there's a labor shortage which means nobody wants to do that job, so the laws of supply and demand say you're wrong

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pond_minnow t1_jd5zdk5 wrote

Yeah. Because people keep donating to them via charity aka tipping.

Folks realize it's kind of a shitty job, not a career. Can't be replaced by robots soon enough IMO.

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the-crotch t1_jd62rqe wrote

If they eliminate tipping they'll have to pay an equivalent salary or lose everyone which means you're paying the same anyway.

Idc if it's a career I know I wouldn't wait tables for minimum wage that's for sure

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pond_minnow t1_jd64beo wrote

I'm fine with that. I'd rather the price be upfront and transparent instead of this shitty guilt-laden tipping system.

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googs185 t1_jd7fua1 wrote

Most of the world doesn’t have a tipping culture.

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gewehr44 t1_jd43doa wrote

Why do you want servers to earn less? Are you that selfish?

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[deleted] t1_jd7r3mc wrote

Server wages should be raised to be somewhat commensurate to an average if what is typical after including tips, and then tipping should be fully abolished. Tipping is a perverse system that puts undue social pressure/burden on patrons and servers. It also makes it very difficult for servers to qualify for loans (cars, homes, etc.), since they don't have verifiable income, which this would solve.

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gewehr44 t1_jd9gjgw wrote

The income is only not verifiable if they don't claim it on their taxes.

You should try talking to people who work in the industry & get their opinion.

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[deleted] t1_jd9pc9b wrote

The income is not considered applicable for larger loans, which was the intent of my comment. My apologies for the incorrect semantics.

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One-Awareness-5818 t1_jd3l5ti wrote

Do we decrease tip from 20% to 15 or 10 if the minimum wage goes up

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IrishWithoutPotatoes t1_jd5cjqp wrote

How about we pay them a livable wage and do away with tipping? My European friends love it

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rambolo68 t1_jd5nak0 wrote

If they are getting minimum wage then tipping goes away. A large chunk of the population will no longer be able to afford to dine out.

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WhoInvitedMike t1_jd4g66k wrote

If you're asking this question, you don't tip 20%

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One-Awareness-5818 t1_jd5reca wrote

When I go out to eat, I always tip 20%, but I rarely go out to eat anymore unless it is a social event. Can't afford it anymore.

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PoisonIvyItch t1_jd3c3o2 wrote

Where's the free market of supply and demand? Every time I go to a restaurant now the service is so slow because they can't find employees. Then raise the wage. If you raise it enough I'll quit my job and go work at the restaurant.

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JustADudeBeingADood t1_jd48q4h wrote

I know I sound like a corporate drone by saying this, but profit margins in most restaurants are not booming and wages can't be raised much.

People claim they are willing to pay 25+ dollars for a burger if the restaurant staff is paid well, but most restaurant owners don't want to take that gamble.

In non-food/hospitality industries, it is often just corporate greed. So don't take my statements as me defending CEOs being greedy. And every restaurant type is different. For example, a Subway franchisee owner is just hoping not to lose his shirt (John Oliver does an excellent breakdown on franchising restaurants and how shitty it is)

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mkt853 t1_jd4apd9 wrote

Sounds like an unsustainable business model if you can't pay employees a living wage.

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murphymc t1_jd4urhy wrote

That's a nice quip and all, but its been functioning just fine for generations now.

Servers get paid WAYYYYY more than whatever wage you think would be good for them under the current system.

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daybeers t1_jd53wbe wrote

yes, but it fluctuates wildly depending on weather, economy, and either way it still comes from how much the customer is willing to pay. I'd gladly pay more for food so servers and other tipped staff can earn a living wage and have tipping optional for really exceptional service like most other countries.

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Myke190 t1_jd7r60s wrote

Seeing enormous food prices will dissuade people from eating out and tank the industry. If we're to get rid of tipping, which I'm (mostly) in favor of, they should add labor costs to the bill. And I agree with it being optional, despite it being people's jobs, some do really go an extra mile for you and it would be nice for them to reap an unexpected reward.

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daybeers t1_jd8pr6s wrote

That's what I'm saying, to put the labor costs in the cost of the food.

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Jawaka99 t1_jd4wi3q wrote

Safe to say you likely don't own a business.

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theblot90 t1_jd59fqa wrote

I'm gonna be honest...15-20 bucks for a burger is what I'm paying anyways.

Edit: Out of curiosity I looked up Red fuckin Robin. Burgers range from $13 - $17. The average is $15 and change.

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daybeers t1_jd53mmt wrote

good burgers are already $15-20 at sit-down restaurants

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Jawaka99 t1_jd4wepz wrote

> Every time I go to a restaurant now the service is so slow

Yet we're still expected to tip

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mkt853 t1_jd4aj6h wrote

Yes. No one should be making less than minimum wage.

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DiabolicalGooseHonk t1_jd5bh9t wrote

They’re not. It’s made up in tips and if tips don’t make up for it, the restaurant is required to pay them additionally up to minimum wage.

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IrishWithoutPotatoes t1_jd5cm88 wrote

Yeah but the restaurants don’t always follow that, even if required by law

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mkt853 t1_jd5hnhz wrote

I wonder what percentage of people working in restaurants are doing so under the table or ineligible for employment?

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TheValentinePianoman t1_jd5n5sp wrote

Their wages should not include the tips they make alongside it. Tips should be on top of minimum wage

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DiabolicalGooseHonk t1_jd7gkll wrote

Ok. That has nothing to do with the comment I replied to. They said no one should make less than minimum wage. It’s just a fact that servers don’t make less than minimum wage.

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Jeepdog539 t1_jd4wuru wrote

By all means, raise their wages so we can tip less.

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thunderdome180 t1_jd57zcv wrote

I agree with whatever the waitresses or waiters want. So long as they understand that this will effect tip culture. My sister is working at Chilis and does very well tip wise, well over hourly minimum wage.

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gregra193 t1_jd5zdxy wrote

Equalizing the minimum wage hasn’t impacted tip culture in any other state.

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thunderdome180 t1_jd5zrus wrote

Then theres no reason change anything. The point is to get rid of tipping all together. Similar to other countries. If you are paid a fair hourly wage I cant see any reason to tip you.

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ParkingHelpful2690 t1_jd3tg47 wrote

I made more money on weekends serving in CT than working anywhere else full time. People here are great tippers. Serving is hard but the money is worth it. Servers should always be tipped workers. It’s a big part of American restaurant culture.

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BadDogEDN t1_jd5s7lt wrote

they don't want to listen to that, just want to say yes so they feel better about themselves. Every waitress I know would much rather have the current system because tips are often much higher than minimum wage. The only issue is non peak days/times

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ParkingHelpful2690 t1_jd79u85 wrote

The non peak times are just cushion for the weekends. I would clear $1000 from Thursday to Sunday easy. Even on slow weeknights in Milford I would make atleast $100. That’s not the amount of money it used to be but it’s better than being a desk jockey and I liked socializing with customers. It’s the least oppressive job, imo. If you don’t like a restaurant or their management you can move on to the next within a weeks training. Power to the people. Lol

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Mystik989 t1_jd4tvnx wrote

This will put restaurants in a position to raise the cost of their goods. The only people who will benefit will be the servers as they will get minimum wage, and expect at least 20% on now a more expensive check average.

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Jawaka99 t1_jd4wl4l wrote

But no more tips

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gregra193 t1_jd52lqc wrote

No more tips? Doesn’t work that way in any other state that has equalized minimum wage.

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Jawaka99 t1_jd5g1gr wrote

I won't contribute to it. I'm not paying more for food and more for the person to hand it to me. I've just stopped eating out altogether for the most part.

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gregra193 t1_jd5z1gz wrote

Get takeout or cook at home, your choice. Dining in…anywhere in the US…means you tip.

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eddie964 t1_jd4wnh7 wrote

I'd like to see a minimum guaranteed payment for servers. If wage plus tip income is less than minimum wage, the business makes up the difference. In addition to providing some assurance to servers, this would maintain an incentive for servers to go above and beyond.

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Joe5205 t1_jd52cx4 wrote

That's how it is currently. You get server wage, plus tips. If there's no customers and you don't get tips to make up the difference you get paid min wage instead.

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witteefool t1_jd5ri0m wrote

In theory that’s how it should work. In practice the business owner rarely does the work to assure workers are paid minimum wage if their tips don’t cover it.

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Joe5205 t1_jda9y55 wrote

I'm not sure what would change then. If the law already states that servers have to make Min wage, but people aren't following it, a law that says the same thing doesn't change anything. What needs to be changed is people learning workers' rights in high school. I've taught plenty of high schoolers working their first job to stand up for themselves and know their rights.

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rambolo68 t1_jd5mstw wrote

What we all have to ask ourselves is which system maximizes the take home pay for servers? If you go to minimum wage they will make 30,800 a year if they work 40 hours a week X 52 weeks. I would think with tipping they make a lot more and can work a lot less hours. It would be interesting to see this piloted across the spectrum of different restaurant establishments and see how the servers like it. I know servers who make between $ 200-400 a night with tips and only work 6 hours. I think they would quit if they were being paid $15/hr and then had taxes taken out of that. But if you pay minimum then tipping will have to go away because most will not be able to afford to dine out. I say this based on recent data we’re it said over 40% of the population was working paycheck to paycheck.

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gregra193 t1_jd5zqtu wrote

Raising the tipped minimum wage does not mean people stop tipping. It just means a higher base wage for the waiter at those places currently paying $6.38/hour.

Tipping will not “go away because people will not be able to afford it.” Some establishments already choose to pay the full $14/hour as they realize waiters have side jobs and properly compensate for them. There’s no difference in the tipping percentage.

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PhilipLiptonSchrute t1_jd7n1hr wrote

Tipping is retarded to begin with.

If I go out with my friends and we get 4 burgers instead of 4 steaks, the server gets less than half the tip for the same amount of work simply because of what we ordered.

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CANOODLING_SOCIOPATH t1_jd6737l wrote

I'm for that, but this is not a scientific poll. It is not a random sample of CT residents.

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Unhappy-Tax8580 t1_jd7esqg wrote

Raise their minimum and I’ll drop from 20% back to 15%

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ryzku t1_jd93v68 wrote

No

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ryzku t1_jd94w8x wrote

Servers make a liveable wage being tipped 20% in nice establishments. If you go down to minimum wage it’ll ruin the entire job. You’d have to work 40 hour work weeks to make half what you used to make in 15-25 hours. People will just stop doing the job and do something else, all service will be bad for the most part because it won’t make a difference wether you work hard or not. mom and pop shops will suffer more and only the chains / well off places will thrive. People say owners are greedy for not paying servers enough but the servers make their own money same way a realtor gets a commission off a house sale.

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Observant_Neighbor t1_jd3bmfj wrote

A better question would be will the economic impact of raising servers wages in terms of beneficial personal spending, reduced government transfer payments, increased tax revenue, etc. be better than the increased restaurant menu prices, the corresponding decreased demand for restaurants, the decreased/eliminated restaurant profitability, the decreased tax revenue, the costs to landlords of vacant locations, etc.

Sure, it would be great to raise wages. Minimum wages interfere with market forces. If you artificially set wages, you will keep capital out of markets because they won't get a sufficient return. Similarly, if wages were allowed to fall, all things being equal as no other market regulation, prices would have to fall because demand would fall as consumers wouldn't have enough to buy. It isn't always pretty on a day to day level but eventually the market corrects. Pervasive regulation prevents these mild and gradual market corrections. Every now and again, the market forces overwhelm government's efforts to regulate - see housing bubble, etc.

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1122334411 t1_jd6uzp2 wrote

If you don’t make enough money to pay someone $14hr your food isn’t that good. If you can’t afford to go out maybe you need to ask your employer for more than minimum wage.

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nick7184 t1_jd4or9o wrote

More government interfering with free market economics, and the outcome is predictable. Many of these restaurants barely survived Covid and now they are going to see their expenses go up, they will have to increase prices, and many consumers will choose to just stay home.

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alienwarezftw t1_jd4vkyd wrote

Dont do this, in seattle they get paid like $17-20 an hour and sometimes more and pass the cost onto the consumer making you pay 20% tips. I have stopped going out entirely, tips will not go down. Sometimes i wonder if companies just pocket this tip money or increased wage costs

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JaKr8 t1_jd55zmn wrote

I already pretty much end up tipping 25% at a regular restaurant Unless the server is a complete tool, and 15% at a counter restaurant, so I really don't have an issue with this. It might bring me back down to twenty percent for a table server. In the end it's just a shell game for me.

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pastafaz t1_jd6mqjb wrote

I give 20% tips even of mistakes are made. Because the person is working for a living and not on the welfare dole. They are probably getting more profit than the restaurant. No overhead, no liability, no payroll taxes, no rent. Leave it alone CT. Don’t muck it all up. Remember, generational welfare was created by good intentions.

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Beneficial-Idea-8702 t1_jd7is43 wrote

Some of you do not pass the vibe check, smh. A lot of excuse to not pay people a consistent living wage. The key word is CONSISTENT. So much affects how much you are tipped that you cannot control. I’d rather have a consistent stream of income than a boom and bust cycle I cannot reliably predict. The individual cannot be held accountable on the good-will or lack thereof, unfortunately people are shitty and nothing can ever change that, so the system around it must change to acquire equity.

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Black863 t1_jd5nc8s wrote

Quite the opposite. We should eliminate the minimum wage. This will increase competition. Because really, there’s no such thing as “making money”. Nobody makes money. They take money. Because whenever you get it is has to come out of somebody else’s pocket. Every morning, the barista TAKES five of my dollars for my coffee. And every morning I TAKE seven of her dollars out of the tip jar while she makes it. We’re both entrepreneurs, but in this case, I’m the better one.

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2SLGBTQIA t1_jd3e62e wrote

Everyone should get a raise, unfortunately that's not how supply and demand works whatsoever.

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EliteDetonater t1_jd4013u wrote

Auto 18% for tables over 3 people, state wide.

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red_purple_red t1_jd382hu wrote

Inflation is out of control, now is the time to tighten our belts, not throw money at every problem.

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