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ijuanaspearfish t1_ixcgk9r wrote

I support gun rights but i do not consider myself a conservative.

Uvalde had more to do with lack of spine/effort than anything else, which to me hurt those kids more than the gunman.

All we here is the bad news when it comes to guns because thats what gets the clicks....

Its also a "perception" thing as well. Up here, its very rare to see open carry even thought it is 100% legal.

Why? Because most gun owners do not want others freaking out because the sight of a firearm in public is not something the public are used to seeing.

Meanwhile in many other states, I can go and regularly see people open carry and no one cares.

Why? Because they are used to it, they don't have as many negative associations with seeing a gun like we do in CT or the NE.

Ive been ok with guns my whole life, now my kids are also very responsible and comfortable with them too. But if I didnt educate and share that with my kids, chances are, they would be more fearful of guns.

A car can kill just as fast as a gun but you never hear about banning cars even though it causes more fatalities, especially with younger people.


Lobstaman t1_ixcixsy wrote

You’re making the perfect argument for one to be properly licensed before owning a firearm.


ijuanaspearfish t1_ixck83v wrote

100% correct, I'd go even further with mandating more invasive background checks for people who want to own guns. Assuming it is done fairly and equally across all people.

Gun rights will always be an issue up here.


Lobstaman t1_ixckzse wrote

It’s amazing how everything else in the constitution is open to interpretation, but for some reason, the Second Amendment is carved in stone, and must be taken word for word.


MonkeySee27 t1_ixcm4pr wrote

Well, except the part about a well regulated militia, people seem to interpret away that part of the amendment.


ijuanaspearfish t1_ixcluwa wrote

Its the world we live in.

People are just scared of them, part of me understands but the other part just wants people to be more receptive of other opinions and views.

If I can do something to protect myself and my kids, what father wouldn't? Its life insurance I appendix carry.

Its also an activity I enjoy with my sons, going to the range, practicing our shooting and enjoying each others company. Just as much as going on hikes or my boat to fish.


Omnibitent t1_ixciqfy wrote

Not arguing against your points, however I always get peeved when people bring up car deaths as a comparison. The purpose of a car is to get you from point A to point B quickly. The point of a gun is to kill. While yes you can kill just as easily with a car, that is not its main purpose. You can't say the same about a gun.


ijuanaspearfish t1_ixcjsho wrote

Doesnt matter what the intended purpose is.

Dead is dead.

The purpose is secondary to the result.

A gun can equally saves lives by taking one or more away in the case of a threat. Again, its about perception


Holl0wayTape t1_ixcpl9s wrote

No, that's ridiculous, sorry. Even in your example the gun's intended use is to take a life. It doesn't matter if in doing so another life is being saved. The purpose of a gun is to use it to kill something.

You've made some other good points in your previous comments, but not in this one.


ZebraRaptor t1_ixe7wv3 wrote

Not true. A firearm is used to stop the threat (when not talking about sport, hunting, or collecting). Does stopping the threat sometimes result in death? Absolutely. But it’s not “shoot to kill”. It’s “shoot to stop the threat”.

It’s an important distinction because even in a totally justified self defense scenario, if it’s found out you shot someone twice, and they surrendered, but then you decided to shoot more and it resulted in their death, you would be charged.


Holl0wayTape t1_ixebu20 wrote

True, but in the example written by the commenter I replied to, the gun is used to kill. The person said that if a life is taken it is fine because a life is saved.

Your comment doesn't have anything to do with the context of mine and the other commenter's comment.


ZebraRaptor t1_ixfz24q wrote

I get what you’re saying now. I agree, taking a life is awful no matter what, and any human with any morals would struggle likely for the rest of their life with that. But at the end of the day, when it comes down to you and your family or the life of someone who is actively trying to take yours, you’re going to choose you and your family 100% of the time.

A good quote I once heard from someone who had to kill in self defense “I don’t regret that I did what I had to do, I regret that he put me into the situation where I had to take his life”.


Fun_Savings_64 t1_ixcjm9z wrote

“All we hear is the bad news…” What is an example of good gun-related news?


ijuanaspearfish t1_ixckw5w wrote

Im sure there are plenty of stories about private citizens stopping or preventing a much worse scenario by having a gun when it was needed.

But at the same time, if you were educated about guns, you would know that it is not advocated anyone play the hero.

At the end if the day, i sleep well knowing that in the event my family or myself is threatened I have the knowledge and tools to have a fighting chance rather than all those kids in Uvalde as well as they're parents.

As a father, i have that right so I am free to exercise it.


Holl0wayTape t1_ixcpq97 wrote

"Today on channel 8 news, a gun was on its way home from volunteering at the homeless shelter and saved a kitten from a tree."