the-crotch t1_j13r1je wrote
12 step programs are ineffective, you'd be better off finding a licensed therapist that specializes in substance abuse
However you go about it though, I wish you the best of luck
psyco-the-rapist t1_j13uklc wrote
the-crotch t1_j13w148 wrote
I can post links to studies too! I shouldn't need to, though, AA didn't even work for the guy who started it
“Out of 50 treatment methods ranked by the strength of scientific evidence, AA comes in 38th"
https://nypost.com/2019/04/13/how-alcoholics-anonymous-lied-to-the-american-people/
10% success rate long term
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10078980/
"Mixed results"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2746426/
"12-step recovery simply doesn't work"
https://www.npr.org/2014/03/23/291405829/with-sobering-science-doctor-debunks-12-step-recovery
psyco-the-rapist t1_j140zdu wrote
Been to a lot of meetings. I've seen and known a good amount of therapists for addictions. All the therapists encouraged me to go to meetings as well. My AA sponsor always encouraged therapy. Wishing you well.
the-crotch t1_j14142c wrote
If it works for you it's the best solution for you
SkyloBenKenobi t1_j178ssd wrote
What are you talking about? Bill Wilson stayed sober until the day he died. You have no room talking about anything you don’t know shit about. You have opinions. Fine but don’t go spouting fallacious absurdities that have no basis in fact and might hurt someone’s life.
the-crotch t1_j18g3sy wrote
> What are you talking about? Bill Wilson stayed sober until the day he died.
Only because his nurse refused to give him a shot
> You have no room talking about anything you don’t know shit about.
Nearly every study done on the subject has concluded that AA is near the bottom of the list for efficacy.
> You have opinions.
I have peer reviewed facts. You have personal anecdotal evidence.
> don’t go spouting fallacious absurdities that have no basis in fact and might hurt someone’s life.
This is what happens when you turn recovery into a religion...
SkyloBenKenobi t1_j178dnn wrote
Don’t go around spitting this obviously ridiculous rhetoric. AA is the most effective solution by so far it’s incomparable. I’m a proud member and I know a lot of people who’s lives are much better because of it. Ask my daughter and my family if 12 steps don’t work.
the-crotch t1_j18gesp wrote
> Don’t go around spitting this obviously ridiculous rhetoric.
I'm not. I'm spouting the results of numerous scientific studies into the subject. Here's two of them.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10078980/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2746426/
> AA is the most effective solution by so far it’s incomparable.
Citation needed.
> I’m a proud member and I know a lot of people who’s lives are much better because of it.
Personal anecdotes aren't evidence. I'm happy it worked for you. The science says it works for a very small minority (according to one of the studies I linked, as low as 10%)
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