Submitted by IndicationOver t3_118aimx in Connecticut
I remember this topic irking/pissing off people in 2022 (in this very subreddit) because "Stop fear mongering." "Nothing like that will happen in this day an age." "All of Russia nukes are outdated." blah blah
Just looking for updated, thoughts, opinions, concerns, knowledge.
Russia's Putin issues new nuclear warnings to West over Ukraine
But but but laws protect us don’t they?
They do, if they’re enforceable
Yeah you're right laws don't do anything and we should repeal them all and everything will be great. /s
I remember when I was 12. I guess some people never stop being childish.
I remember when I used to make logical leaps like this one
Not a far leap. Dude talks like an anarchist. Must be 12 years old or developmentally stunted. That's solid reasoning, and I stand by it.
You’re learning :)
Putin had a "treaty" with Ukraine that he wouldn't invade them if they gave up their nukes, so they did.
Treaties and deals mean nothing to him anyway.
I don't worry about things that are out of my or anyone else's control.
The best way to like my dude I feel Ya
No.
Historically, nukes always have and always will be deterrents and bluffs.
The value of irradiated anything is zero. When every government in the world revolves around generating profit for somebody, no one can afford nuclear fallout.
This has always been my take. If Russia were to destroy the us with all its nukes that assumes a few things:
Scenario A 1-that they are able to fire off nukes without any detection from the US without time to respond meaning they destroy the US completely 2- then what? Then the embargoes and sanctions are technically removed, but completely worthless. Russia cannot make any money or gain an additional power. That doesn’t guarantee subordination from all remaining powers. It more likely guarantees that nukes will already be in the air from other countries assuming they’re next.
Scenario B 1-Russia fires nukes, US catches them in time only to be able to respond with nukes ensuring mutual destruction 2-nothing is left, no one is able to make money or gain power when everyone is dead
Putin isn't suicidal. No worries. All grandstanding. Nothing has changed since the start of the war since they stopped inspections at that time anyway.
In the very next sentence he said they wouldn’t start testing nuclear weapons again unless the US does. Which we won’t. So it’s just him tossing red meat to the nationalists.
He also said he wasn't going to invade Ukraine.
I've read reports that suggested Putin is sick and it's terminal.
No matter of suicide.
Russia can use a limited number of nukes without fear of nuclear reprisal, in my opinion, because Russia doesn't care if tens of millions of its citizens die, so they get some tactical nuclear first strikes as freebies.
The reprisal by the west is the matter of suicide. Russia has the Perimeter dead hand deterrent system, by which a full scale nuclear attack on Russia, whether retaliatory or first-strike, triggers an automated full scale response.
So if Russia nukes Kiev to reverse the tide in Ukraine, and the west responds by nuking a couple Russian cities, that's great for Russia because they get to keep Ukraine and they brought the west to heel. If the west retaliates, it will only be a limited strike, which, again, Russia will readily accept, if it gets it something as prized as Ukraine.
There is zero chance Russia launches a first strike against the continental US. Russia likes to say it has the world's most advanced nuclear delivery system, with its hypersonic nuclear cluster bombs, but that's useless against the US unless Russia could get all our subs in one fell swoop, too, which it can't.
I assume the US has cyber warfare and space weaponry at its disposal that could prevent Russia from launching or that could neutralize incoming missiles, hypersonic or not. Obviously such capabilities are top secret and I'm only speculating.
There are so many wrong takes that it's hard to respond to this but I will try.
They do care about their citizens.
There would be consequences for their use which is why they cannot use them.
Us nuking multiple of their cities is not "great for them".
There is zero chance we can prevent them from launching and I give it around a 2% chance to shoot down any incoming nuke. They are mirvs with decoys built to saturate defenses.
Once again, none of this can be used because of MAD. Even if Putin gives the orders I highly doubt they would be followed as it's MADness.
>They do care about their citizens.
Omg, you've been in a coma for the last year and just woke up. Let me fill you in on what's been happening to fighting age men in Russia and how little the oligarchs in charge of the country care about the people in it. Lol. What a joke.
>There would be consequences for their use which is why they cannot use them.
What are these great consequences that would punish Russia for using nukes, but not deter them from using in the first place?
>Us nuking multiple of their cities is not "great for them".
No of course it's not great. I meant the sarcastic kind of great. Again, because more than they care about a few cities, they care about their position as a world power. If they use them, they obviously think it will lead to a better position for Russia, despite what would happen to a few of their cities.
>There is zero chance we can prevent them from launching and I give it around a 2% chance to shoot down any incoming nuke. They are mirvs with decoys built to saturate defenses.
You don't know the limits of our defensive systems and I don't either. That's why I said I assume.
>Once again, none of this can be used because of MAD. Even if Putin gives the orders I highly doubt they would be followed as it's MADness.
Perimeter is automatic (that means it doesn't need an order).
I've already started low-dosing to get acclimated
What isotope are you working with?
Lemon Haze x Caesium OG
Chlorine apparently
He’s just mad about Biden visiting Ukraine and huffing and puffing. Like someone else said, a treaty won’t stop him anyway.
But orange man bad?
What does the orange man have to do with my comment?
I agree. Orange man incredibly bad, and a threat to our national security.
And he's incredibly stupid too. Does he ever get tired of losing?
The big business owners and billionaires in both Russia and America won't let anything happen. Nuclear war would be bad for profits. Can't exploit people who are dead.
CT has nothing to worry about. If Russia launches we won’t feel a thing.
You might want to put an /s in there, because the entire NE would be pretty fucked if nukes start flying.
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No. Not really. Living here (CT) ensures that most won't survive a first strike and those that do survive will die fairly quickly from high-level radiation fallout.
I’ve always said this, with Sikorsky in our backyard, CT doesn’t stand a chance. So why worry?
Sikorsky has nothing to do with it. Military helicopters (and Sikorsky helos) are a dying breed. Look at what is happening in Ukraine and look at what the U.S. Air Force is doing with their fleet of Pave Hawks. They're already decommissioning the premier active CSAR squadron in two years (the 55th at Nellis) and have divested further production of HH-60W's. Also, look at the winner of the Army FVL (Future Vertical Lift) competition which is (not) Sikorsky but their competitor Bell/Textron. If I owned Sikorsky stock I'd be selling it. If I worked at Sikorsky I'd be looking elsewhere.
So, Sikorsky is a non-player in the nuclear first strike arena.
HOWEVER, I would look at Groton and the sub base there. That IS (and always has been) a first-strike target. But other than that Connecticut is a military "Black-hole" with nothing of significance in this state. NYC is, however, a juicy target for multiple strikes and "look" for it to become a solid sheet of glass if the unthinkable were ever to become reality. Connecticut to be the recipient of literally TONS of irradiated nuclear fallout which would turn this state into a desert wasteland.
Again, no worries. It'll be over so fast you'll never be bothered by it. Just the blindness if you had been looking in the direction of a detonation and then radiation burning if close enough or inhalation asphyxiation if further away.
We are in between NYC and Boston. Have electric boat and Sikorsky along with plum island and milstone npp... We won't feel a thing.
Unfortunately for us, on the list of things to be worried about nuclear arms/war is still ridiculously far down the list.
It’s war. Nothing is ever respected, especially pleb lives like ours.
Treaties are as useful as “rules of war”.. (they dont exist.)
Putin is not stupid. With the winter waning, it’s time to prep the financial markets with more fear mongering…
No… Putin and the Russian military are both jokes.
Orcs.
They are absolute trash. I take none of their threats as legitimate, and they wouldn’t have a snowballs chance in hell if they took us on in a conventional war.
Our only concern is how to deal with post Putin Russia when this inevitably leads to their country's collapse and a further destabilizing of that nation. Mark my words on this.. this doesn't look good for them or Putin, if they do not pull off some major spring/sumer miracles on this... or give Ukraine/NATO a favorable peace settlement, they are up shits creek.
Between Boston, New York, and the submarine pens in Groton/New London, we have about 50+ nukes aimed directly at us. Each one of them explodes at a temperature hotter than the sun, and vaporizes or incinerates everything for 4-6 square miles. This causes mass fires in the surrounding areas that proliferate with nearly nothing to curb or prevent the expansion. Long story short you have no reason to be afraid! You will turn to vapor in seconds and feel no pain! :)
When Biden went to visit Ukraine, Russia tried to do an ICBM test in response. You just didn’t hear about because the test failed. That should tell you everything you need to know about Russia’s nuclear arsenal.
I just looked it up.
So basically you are saying that Putin is all talk.
Everyone thought Russia had a modern first world military before the invasion. Even US intelligence thought they would take Kiev in 3 days. Now we can see that all that oil money that Putin was giving to the Russian military, was likely just lining the pockets of the top brass. All their equipment was in disrepair before it even got into Ukraine. None of it was maintained. I doubt their ICBMs and nukes are in any better shape.
U.S. should be concerned about Russia ending arms treaty participation, expert says
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Welp there goes that.
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I can’t tell you what to prioritize or what to act upon based on concerns. I will say this, prepare for the worst and hope for the best. People can call you stupid or paranoid but what matters is that you are prepared, to the best of your abilities, for the curveballs life throws at you.
This is very well stated. The only thing is, if a nuclear strike is let loose on the east coast, all you can actually do is prepare to meet your Higher Power as your human body is vaporized. 🙏
Depends on where it hits and what the yield is. Anything shy of a “tsar bomba” impact on manhattan is pretty much a fallout problem for us in CT in which case you’re either prepared to shelter in place or evacuate to a fallout shelter immediately. Either way, Greenwich, stamford, cos cob, darien, and parts of norwalk and new canaan would be hit the worst.
I disagree because if they hit the naval base in Groton, I am within the strike zone. They would want to disable our defenses more than the big cities, I would think. It's a 14- mile radius for instant death, as I recall hearing in school. I may be wrong on that distance.
No, they wouldn’t. War is rarely fought that way. Honor and respect on the battlefield have long since passed. They see an enemy medic, they open fire. They see civilians aiding the enemy, they open fire. It’s all about numbers. If you’re thinking wartime strats, killing a ton of people in a short amount of time is efficient, demoralizing, and headline grabbing. And manhattan has an estimated 1.7 million people that could be wiped out by a nuke in an instant and even more through the nuclear fallout being carried up through CT, RI, and MA vs groton’s population of 39,000, if that. Densely populated areas are prime targets. Hell, why do you think mass shooters pick schools? Densely populated and extremely vulnerable. When was last time there a mass casualty event at a courthouse, police station, government building, private affluent school with a bunch of armed security? It’s all soft targets they go after for shock and awe. And it works unfortunately.
I hadn't thought of it in terms of soft targets. We in SE CT used to talk about how Groton with it's submarines would be a first choice. I have always thought that if nukes fell, there would be no problem for me as I would be dead in the explosion. If I have to live with the fallout, then I might as well end it myself as soon as the news reaches me.
Edited to add that I am not depressed and do not need a reddit care message. TIA, I am fine 😊
I recommend doing some research into it. You don’t have to go crazy with it but it’s good to have some basic information on the topic so that you aren’t caught off guard. Here’s a link to a good video on radiation detection and fallout.
Thank you.
No problem. 👍
Being afraid to talk about something is another form of fear mongering.
No
Ct is obviously protected by the (low orbiting) warp lightning cannons along with the rest of New England and NY/s
But on a serious note no
You should be terrified, they’re gonna zero the location at your house.
Will thoughts and prayers work here also?
Honestly, If he hits the button we won't be around long enough to worry so...
unless and until the united states+nato and russia are explicitly at war with one another, there is nothing to worry about.
if that happens, it's anyone's guess. traditional models of nuclear deterrence would state that to launch a nuclear strike would be ridiculously irrational, because any state that launches a nuke would prompt worldwide nuclear armageddon and certainly ensure its own destruction. putin probably is a rational actor right now, even if he is prone to tactical error. that said, if he's pressured into a corner...who knows? the chance is extremely slim that he would resort to the button given it is practically suicide, and if he did, there's a good chance others would step in to would stop it (see, e.g., the russian soldier who is credited as averting armageddon during the cuban missile crisis). but it's not impossible. a nuke in the air is most certainly a non-zero chance, even if it is infinitesimally small. a fraction, of a fraction, of a fraction, of a fraction, of a fraction of a percent.
generally, thinking about nuclear warfare is a foreign concept for anyone who grew up after the fall of the ussr because we have never lived under an actual threat of one occurring. the idea of engaging in nuclear war just makes so little sense that it's hard to conceive of any situation where it could happen. but the potential impact of just one error bringing it about is existentially terrifying. it's not the sort of thing I worry about, personally, but it's also not irrational to think about, given that people are, on occasion—and particularly when under stress—irrational.
The only thing I worry about is being outside the blast radius and having to live in a post-nuclear hellscape. That being said, I don't actually believe any countries will be launching nukes.
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Worry about what? Nuclear blast? Not necessarily. Worried about a global war, possibly.
Yes. You in particular can continue being concerned
No
No more than anyone else in the world. At least we would die fast
Putin can’t wait to use his Poseidon weapon- nothing at present can’t stop it . Basically a nuclear torpedo yes underwater- that will generate a radioactive tidal wave
Poseidon is meant to attack cities and ports with a multi-megaton thermonuclear bomb.
I learned something new.
It's a bluff, a scare tactic. Putin is a bully, but he wont pull the trigger.
What difference does that make? ct was always going to glow if we ever had an exchange
Rob your neighbors. Eat your kids. Dance like nobody's watching.
How does Putin launching nukes help Putin?
I love how Op attempts to engage in discussion by totally dismissing previous comments on this same subject.
Op, don’t worry. Atmospheric particulate from the Ohio fire(s) will obscure CT to missile guidance systems.
What are you talking about maybe you should read my post again along with the link provided in 2023.
It’s reprehensible to completely rewrite your OP and pretend you haven’t.
Edit; to any downvoters-the opening post is not what was posted even remotely which is why my above response seems aggressive. It was appropriate to the original post.
I made no edits on my post wtf are you talking about? I have no idea what you are talking about I am talking about present day news you weirdo.
Russia, China show off ties amid maneuvering over Ukraine today from Associated Press
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Thanks for contributing nothing, like I am the problem in global affairs. I have no ill will towards you just confusion at the moment.
You completely removed and rewrote your post.
Why you would bother to deny that now is a mystery for your therapist to address.
I have no interest in seeing anything more from you, you clearly have issues.
Nuclear submarines, major defense companies, close to NYC (high population). I would say yes. We would be one of the first non silo base places to be hit/targeted.
If you haven't already, I would suggest canned foods, bottled water and iodine pills. Enough to be able to live on for 3-5 months.
Oh yea I’m sure that will save you from the radiation poisoning and nuclear winter of a global catastrophic nuclear war
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Better than just laying down and taking it in the face.
TBH that's probably the best way to take it. Even if you could survive, your quality of life would be set back centuries.
Iodine won't help lol
He thinks he'll get an owie.
https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/radiation/emergencies/ki.htm
Better to have and not need, than to not have and need.
Not much? Wherever you are in the country if the nukes start flying, you're fucked.
Obviously it is concerning that Putin is taking this step but it's not like he'll launch one nuke perfectly aimed at the Waterbury MixMaster. It's all or nothing.
That’s not really how they work.
I mean... I would welcome a small tactical nuke.
It's a good thing. Most of us would be wiped out in a first strike, which is what you want. Drop that thing on my head.
See, sending tanks and escalating the war was a great idea.
10% for the big guy!
Maybe your buddy Putin invading another country was a worse idea.
Maybe the US should have stayed out of Ukraine and Georgia like WE promised.
When the wars start, I hope you get drafted first. 20 years of war wasn't enough for you mall Americans.
Didnt know we were "in" Ukraine. Are you confusing the US with Russia? They are in Ukraine, illegally.
Just say you don't know what happens in the rest of the world unless TV man tells you.
Can you put together a cogent thought or are you mired in cliches?
It's not my fault you have no grasp on modern geopolitical situations in Eastern Europe.
See this dude, Republicans just openly support Russia now. Idiots, every last one of them.
E: That's how it goes when you're in a cult.
https://www.vox.com/2016/9/9/12865678/trump-putin-polls-republican
“You don’t know anything!”
posts Vox article
What did snopes say about the whole thing?
Quickest link. Check opinion polling among conservatives over time. Like a light switch.
True party of sheep, by the numbers.
It's a cult.
“Quickest link. Didn’t read it but the title confirmed my statements for me and if you don’t agree you’re just a sheep”.
I could swap you for a MAGA qtard and get the same exact conversation.
But you’re so much better and smarter than them.
Oh no, openly supporting peace instead of ever agitating some foreign power for no real good reason.
You got me, fuckin dipshit.
Lol. I've seen some of your posts let's not kid people about what you're about.
Whatever you say warmonger.
Look Biden’s doing a great job I tell ya, a great job!
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If Putin wants to use nukes, an arms treaty ain't going to stop him.