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Soggy_Affect6063 t1_j9v2mu5 wrote

I love the “this isn’t some hollywood movie” because pretty much everyone who’s shot a firearm knows hollywood is trash when it comes to anything realistic about firearms. Also tells me where you’re getting your information from. TV and not the range.

You guys are fine with throwing around “innocent until proven guilty” and want to talk to me about reality but throw around extreme circumstances or outliers that aren’t even remotely representative of the values or training of the majority of law enforcement or civilian gun ownership. In both cases people decried the actions of the officer and those looney toons that chased down Amaud.

But since you want to throw around incidents lets go there. Earlier this year an armed citizen, stopped a violent attacker, Estaban padron, who had slashed two other applebees employees. No shots were fired. This happened in upstate NY of all places. Was an “innocent” person killed? No. Did it stop the criminal activity? Yes.

Remember Shawn Sutton and his wife Melody? Dude pretended to be a customer to rob a gas station in North Georgia. Two armed customers noticed the situation, stopped the robbery, and held the two at gun point until officers arrived. No one died in that petty theft event.

Or this one. Stopped theft without a shot being fired. I could go on. That’s reality.

My invitation is always open if you guys want to hit up the range, a gun class, a self defense and firearms law course both of which are taught by law enforcement and attorneys so you can see for yourself.


Badgercakes7 t1_j9v6smv wrote

I possess and use firearms, I have hands on experience shooting a gun. I did not ever claim that SOME gun owners are capable of what you’re claiming, I am saying that <100% of them are. I’m sure that people with guns are, in some cases, capable of being useful but statistically speaking, having untrained armed citizens get involved in law enforcement leads to higher likelihood of innocent people (often random bystanders) being shot 12345