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Whiskey_Fiasco t1_j9u7po3 wrote

Taxes aren’t punishments. When you pay a gasoline or a tobacco tax or an alcohol tax it isn’t a punishment. Why should the general tax payer be punished with additional taxes to cover the costs of dealing with the fall out coming from gun owners actions? Why shouldn’t those costs fall on the shoulders of those who actually have a weapon?


404freedom14liberty t1_j9ud664 wrote

Agree 100%. Let’s get the EV drivers to pay their fair share.


Whiskey_Fiasco t1_j9udatx wrote

Sure. Not sure what point your trying to make here pivoting to EVs though.


404freedom14liberty t1_j9ufoq4 wrote

It’s an easy whataboutism. The fact is gun ownership is a complex issue. They provide recreation on skeet fields for the (generally speaking) affluent. They provide a tool for hunting for the ( generally speaking) working class.

In rural areas they provide a means of self-protection. I don’t have much use for ammunition but it seems like a particular demographic is targeted and made a scape goat.


Whiskey_Fiasco t1_j9uk0uc wrote

They didn’t propose arresting people for buying bullets. They proposed a modest tax on bullets. It’s hardly a scapegoat.


404freedom14liberty t1_j9ul8ph wrote

In fairness it’s a relentless chipping away of gun owner’s rights.


Whiskey_Fiasco t1_j9um3ns wrote

Why do you think that the second amendment exempts gun owners from tax liability?


404freedom14liberty t1_j9unfvx wrote

I don’t think that. Sorry if I implied that.

The issue is it seems that citizens have the right to possess firearms. At the very least they are a tool for rural nutmeggers.

Ammunition is already taxed above sales tax. This tax is being applied to a distinct demographic. We can assume this tax is part of a social program to depress gun ownership. As a stated it’s a relentless taking.


BackhandStrongAF t1_j9u8ezw wrote

“taxes aren’t punishments” and then you follow up with “why should the general taxpayer be punished with additional taxes..” doesn’t make sense. so gun owners shouldn’t look at this as a punishment but the general tax payer should? as i said in a previous comment, use the extraordinary taxes they ALREADY accumulate from guns and ammunition and use that for the programs.


Whiskey_Fiasco t1_j9ueia3 wrote

It’s a responsibility, and those who are responsible for the problem should be responsible for the solution. That’s a principle gun owners tend to agree with until they personally can be held responsible.


BackhandStrongAF t1_j9uepdb wrote

im done entertaining this clown in particular at this point he seems to be broken.


Whiskey_Fiasco t1_j9uezxe wrote

I know you understand what I said, so your refusal to respond means you don’t have a way to actually defend your position.


BackhandStrongAF t1_j9ufg54 wrote

um no actually. you’re being incoherent and don’t seem understand that law abiding gun owners are not responsible for those that misuse their guns. just like you, a lawful purchaser of alcohol aren’t responsible for those that kill entire families in car accidents while under the influence. i hope i was able to dumb this down enough for you man. im truly sorry youre like this💀


Whiskey_Fiasco t1_j9uju43 wrote

Law abiding gun owners are responsible for every person injured or killed with their gun, even when the owner wasn’t the one operating the gun. The gun community should be responsible for the costs associated with deterring, investigating, prosecuting and compensating those harmed by gun violence. Why shouldn’t the firearm community bear the burden instead of the general population?

And btw: CT drinkers already pay an excise tax to the state because they drink.


BackhandStrongAF t1_j9ul46x wrote

youre simply going in circles at this point lol.

and btw: ct gun owners already pay an excise in tax to the state because they bought the guns.

get over the fact that your logic simply does not make sense nor do u have any backbone to any of your misconceptions. hope u have a better day than this homie.


Whiskey_Fiasco t1_j9ulyfh wrote

Simply saying “your logic makes no sense,” is a denial, not an argument.

When you buy a car you pay a tax on your car. When you buy gasoline you pay a tax on that gasoline.

Similarly there is no conflict between paying taxes on your initial purchase of your firearm and paying taxes on the purchase of ammo


BackhandStrongAF t1_j9um8k1 wrote

theres no denial here. you’ve seemed to have forgotten about the already 17% tax on guns and ammo. you’re speaking as though its not taxed at all. its got sales tax plus an additional 11%. it enough taxes. trust me.


CalligrapherDizzy201 t1_j9yf3js wrote

Sin taxes are indeed punishment. That’s why they’re called sin taxes.


Whiskey_Fiasco t1_j9yg1te wrote

All those poor car owners… punished by being forced to help pay for the upkeep of the highway system via gasoline taxes…


CalligrapherDizzy201 t1_j9yg5kr wrote

Gas tax isn’t a sin tax, genius.


Whiskey_Fiasco t1_j9ygw1q wrote

Gas tax is an excise tax, just like alcohol and tobacco.


CalligrapherDizzy201 t1_j9yh48k wrote

Yes, and two of those are referred to as sin taxes. Hint: it’s not gas.


Whiskey_Fiasco t1_j9yil05 wrote

Excise taxes are referred to as sin taxes by anti-tax advocates, and gasoline is subject to excise taxes


CalligrapherDizzy201 t1_ja01ge8 wrote

Sin taxes are called as such because they are designed to curtail the use of that which is being taxes. The gas tax isn’t to discourage the purchase of gas. It’s to pay for the roads that the gas is being used on.