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Zeddica t1_iqsitsy wrote

Water that should be outside is coming inside? No, this will not resolve itself. You have a leak in your roof and it’s getting into the space between your ceiling and the roof itself.

If left alone, eventually you will have a huge mold problem.

And winter is coming…


quadmasta t1_iqsvf7e wrote

Eventually it will resolve itself. The ceiling will fall and the water will no longer be dripping from the ceiling; it'll drip from the rafters instead.


Bubbagumpredditor t1_iqty1cf wrote

WE had this with a bathtub. Soloution: Rip open plaster ceiling and install drop ceiling after numerous plumbers couldnt fix fully. Replace/repaint drop ceiling panels as needed.



frzn_dad t1_iqufgky wrote

Don't need to be handy if you are rich.


EleanorRigbysGhost t1_iqvc12k wrote

If any rich heads with old houses out there are reading this, I am very handy and will gladly take your money.


fabeeleez t1_iqu19ke wrote

My in laws have a hundred year house but they've taken very good care of it


Bubbagumpredditor t1_iqu1p18 wrote

Oh, dont get me wrong, it was a lovely house, but still had the original plumbing and electric and guess why hit burned down?


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Bubbagumpredditor t1_iqucpl9 wrote

Nope, bad switch.


FerretChrist t1_iqv6r54 wrote

Dragon attack?


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yacht_boy t1_iqu1fi9 wrote

Ehhh. Just renovate the bathroom properly. Replace the tub and all the associated plumbing. While you're at it, might as well do the rest of the bathroom over.


Bubbagumpredditor t1_iqu1ue4 wrote

You sound like someone whos isnt wrong but who didnt have 2 kids in school form 1986-1994.


yacht_boy t1_iqu2a0a wrote

I was 11 in 1986. But I do have 2 kids now, and my house is 175 years old.


beardedheathen t1_iqu2xig wrote

I'm a decade younger with two kids and a house that's 125 years old. I wish I'd had other options because I'm a diyer because of budget issues.


pops101 t1_iqu9spz wrote

I'm a decade younger than you and have neither kids or a house. If something is leaking then I really have a problem.


oh-propagandhi t1_iqucqdo wrote

I'm right in between y'all in my house that's 8 years old. Houses always need fixing. The 12 year old one did and the 40 year old one did too. There's always something.


Kevven t1_iqv4qof wrote

That's nothing. I was 135 years old in 1986. We bought a two year old house and it was a nightmare cause I was leaking all over the place!


yacht_boy t1_iqugnae wrote

It's not too late to burn it down!


burnerman0 t1_iqvsigr wrote

I assume you're saying this is the same time as you had your house with the leak? Or else I'm not sure what having your kids graduate 20 years ago has to do with fixing a leak now...


greeblefritz t1_iqvggl5 wrote

Just did a full kitchen remodel on my 120ish year old house, with two kids in school. Once they are old enough you can actually use their help and teach them things.

(Although to be honest I'm a little premature in using the past tense, I've still got some trim to hang and I installed the blower motor on the range hood backwards, so I have to fix that before it's truly 'done').


UsedUpSunshine t1_iqu4608 wrote

While you’re at it change the door frame in every room. Then the floors. Redo the kitchen. It’s a workflow that starts when you work on your house. You start and you’ll never stop.


imanze t1_iqu76pm wrote

I’m sorry.. I don’t mean to be a dick but are you saying your solution of a constant and active leak was to remove an awesome plaster ceiling and replace it with a drop down ceiling so that you could just rip them out as they got water damaged? … Are you planning on addressing the leak? Disposable ceilings, now i’ve literally heard it all.


AKA_Squanchy t1_iqu2quw wrote

Seriously! I grew up in a 1928, my dad is still battling it (he was a carpenter, and he taught me lots of handiness). My wife kept looking at craftsman homes and other classics and I finally had to tell her to stop, no way in hell I was going to deal with all that.


last_rights t1_iqudy83 wrote

Mines 1917.

We're pretty handy.

Some small plumbing leaks that we fixed, replaced some of the cast iron sewer pipe that was rusted at the toilet, and replaced the old leaky cedar gutter that rotted the rafter tails. We cut those off and put up fascia and had aluminum gutters installed instead.

That's pretty much all that we have been "forced" to do. Everything else was because we decided to.


greeblefritz t1_iqvj0n9 wrote

Yeah, I don't think you can broadly generalize about older houses like people are in this thread. It has to be more case-by-case. If a 100+ year old house has been well maintained over the years then it's not going to be much worse than a newer one. Different types of problems certainly, but it's not not automatically a junk heap. Whereas I've heard numerous stories of newer houses needing repairs or remodeling within the first 10 years because of shitty contractors cutting corners and doing a bad job.


sose5000 t1_iqveshs wrote

Find different plumbers. Every leak can be fixed if you don’t half ass the repair.


CoolWhipMonkey t1_iquq6nr wrote

My parents’ house was built in the 1800’s. So. Many. Problems.


wootled t1_iqv6700 wrote

Depends where you live - my house is just over hundred years old, but it’s pretty standard in the UK.

Pain in the arse to fit anything like cupboards or shelves as not a single wall is straight or at a right angle to anything else!


My3rstAccount t1_iqu21i8 wrote

Exactly why houses shouldn't be an investment. The first thing you do when you get one is change everything about it anyway.


StatusSea5409 t1_iqurzd5 wrote

Agreed, nextdoor neighbor before we moved has no ceiling in her living room. It caved in on the person before her, that person moved out, the complex "fixed" it, then it came back down a year or two after she moved in.

That wasn't the worst apartment of our 3 apartment section. The people under our two apartments needed the EPA to come deal with all the black mold in the walls under the flooring, if it could grow there it did. I have no idea how the complex is still standing with all the black mold in them.


AlienDelarge t1_iqvlu5l wrote

>it'll drip from the rafters instead.

That will also solve itself with time.


UnofficialSlimShady OP t1_iqsk5qw wrote

I was going to put a plastic tarp on the roof until I can get a roofer in next week. Anything else I could do?


rivalarrival t1_iqsmxlv wrote

I used to work in property preservation. That's exactly what I would do. Make sure you cover all the way from the peak down to well below where you think the leak might be.

If the weather isn't conducive to immediate repairs, I would advise laying down the tarps, then using 1x2" furring strips to hold down the edges. Just lay them down on the edges of the tarp, and screw them to the roof.


trash_recycle t1_iqt615n wrote

Depending on your insurance carrier, your policy and possibly your state, improperly fastening boards via penetrations (screws and nails) can lead to a denial in insurance coverage. Not to mention additional water intrusions. An alternative to this is to lay the tarps over the peak as described but instead of fastening through the roof roll 2x4s in the perimeter of the tarp, fasten additional 2x4s to the wrapped 2x4s. This sandwich the tarp between the boards and is often enough weight on its own to secure the tarps.

In the event of the possibility of heavy wind or additional security for the tarp you'll need sand bags and ropes. Place sand bags on key points on the tarp along the perimeter and criss-cross ropes over the ridge across to the opposite side of the structure and secure them to the ground via additional sandbags, poles, trees.

This method is more difficult to do and significantly more in material costs, but insures good coverage with no new potential for water intrusion via anchors. Also by not anchoring into the roof your potential for the insurance company to say "you negligently caused additional damages" is reduced.

If you know you don't have coverage or a viable claim, use the anchor method above and a tube or two of Henry's roof patch.

I've got 11 years in emergency property restoration (think ServPro/Belfor). Started using this method after SafCo and American Family denied coverage to a handful of our customers during a particularly bad storm and we ended up having to tear off and reroof one side of a customers home.

Edit: clarification for securing tarp to the ground.


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Hobywony t1_iqucu3i wrote

Not the houses that Wilson Goode renovated.


UsedUpSunshine t1_iqu5be5 wrote

Every place I lived in Puerto Rico has flat roofs, but if you have a leak, you generally have a pretty big problem at that point. My grandma’s house has a small layer of concrete and tar. My grandpa said he’s never had a leak and it would be a “devastating cost” if the roof had a leak.


rivalarrival t1_iqt8uf9 wrote

Insurers are going to try to deny coverage on any grounds they can invent. Merely having a leak in the roof can result in a denial of certain coverage. Failing to adequately anchor the tarp can result in a denial of coverage, as well as open you up to liability if your weighted-and-not-anchored tarp goes flying in a storm and causes further damage to the house, cars, neighboring property, etc.

If it's leaking, the roof needs considerable repair anyway. There's little risk to anchoring the furring strips to the deck. If you're not going to anchor the boards to the roof, don't use them at all. Just tie off the tarp to anchors on the ground.

The more important factor is getting the roof properly repaired as soon as possible.


mydrivec t1_iqu9jz5 wrote

He doesn't know what to do besides poking a hole in the ceiling and you expect him to determine if the entire roof needs replacing?

Use the sandbag method to be safe mate!


yacht_boy t1_iqu20za wrote

> If it’s leaking, the roof needs considerable repair anyway.

Not necessarily. Often it's just a missing shingle, bad flashing, or other small fix.


TravelerMSY t1_iqtptf8 wrote

Yeah. Fastening the tarp down like that is for after a hurricane tears part of the roof off and it’s obviously getting replaced.


GetSecure t1_iqt82ce wrote

I did this as a temporary measure on my shed, lasted 5 years...


Wightly t1_iqu0q7d wrote

Just be aware that where the leak is on the inside of your ceiling does not necessarily correspond with where the leak is on top of your roof.

I had a leak in my basement ceiling and the water leak in my kitchen was 6' away. Trying to find a leak at my parents and the water was coming in 20' away from where it was showing on the inside.


purpleelpehant t1_iqtbt6w wrote

Buy a dehumidifier. If you get insurance involved, they will appreciate it. At least ours did


jnads t1_iqtiayo wrote

Tarp or if the leak spot is obvious get a tube of roofing caulk (black stuff) from your local home improvement store and temporarily seal it.

Go in the attic in the daytime and turn off your flashlight in the attic and see if you see any daylight (such as plumbing vents). If light comes in water can too.

Typical leak spots are where there are interruptions in your roof, such as vents, chimneys, etc.


Asuyu t1_iqtxdp1 wrote

Use a dehumidifier if you have one.


guter567 t1_iqty64f wrote

Make sure your roof is clean, first and foremost. If you have a lot of build-up I'd be willing to bet that's causing it. Especially if it only leaks when it's raining particularly hard


xRockTripodx t1_iqtmp49 wrote

First, white fucking walkers. Next, mold. The gods of Westeros are douchebags.


WorkingInAColdMind t1_iqu34kd wrote

The roofer should be able to find it but keep in mind that the leak outside could be far from the puddle inside - water runs down joists and can end up far away. Good luck.


Great_Chairman_Mao t1_iqtvkz7 wrote

I just finally fixed a recurring roof leak. Went through 3 contractors over a ten year period. I really hope it’s fixed for good this time around. Rain season starts soon…


ballhogtugboat t1_iqtvv0i wrote

How do you not have mold problems?


Great_Chairman_Mao t1_iqtw43j wrote

I’m usually pretty quick to get it fixed each time it comes back. But you’re right I should bring someone in to check.


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Great_Chairman_Mao t1_iqu1pxg wrote

Our building got a new roof but the leak is in the bay window above my unit not connect to the rest of the roof. I just got the contractors who did our roof to rip out the whole bay window roof and replace it with a new one in the same style of the rest of the roof.

This should be the end of it.


Bubbagumpredditor t1_iqtxtaa wrote

> If left alone, eventually you will have a huge mold problem.

Probably already have a medium to huge mold problem.


Zed-Leppelin420 t1_iqthgr2 wrote

Eventually more like already and has been for some time usually when it’s a big storm that just over loads it and leaks a lot were there the whole time


Monemkr t1_iqtaoru wrote

This can be fixed some dragon glass.


no0k t1_iqth8y5 wrote

We must prepare for the Night King. Alert the Watch!


pm_me_your_lub t1_iqsj884 wrote

You have a hole in your roof. AFIK they haven't developed the roof that heals itself yet.


trash_recycle t1_iqt7b0n wrote

To be fair... I have seen some unique situations where the water intrudes, swells the framing and sheeting materials to the point where no new water intrudes. But that scenario still leads to long term issues so some kind of long term solution will be needed.


TheKramer89 t1_iqtttui wrote

It just ghost roofers working while you sleep bro…


nsa_reddit_monitor t1_iqt9wff wrote

I bet someone has developed that but it's just so impractical and expensive nobody has ever installed one.


BMKR t1_iqui8fu wrote

We've had a fuckton of rain, my bet is it's getting under the flashing and their gutter is fucked because our gutters go into the city water runoff. If that gets backed up your gutter backs up. And spews all over the sidewalk.


nadalcameron t1_iqsjtwb wrote

You have damage to your roof. It might be minor and fixed with a little timely maintenance.

But the longer you leave it the worst its going to get. The moisture will start damaging the structure of the home.

Get it fixed ASAP or you are going to look at a lot worst bill/having to rebuild some of the structure at least if you try to ignore it.

You also have to worry about mold. Moisture in your walls/cieling is how you get things like black mold or something else which will seriously fuck with the health of anyone inside and, again, be much costlier to clean up and fix the longer you leave it.


Debaser626 t1_iqt6c1s wrote

I had neighbors (in a rental, thank God) in SoFl who were completely broke and a little “off.”

I thought the place was vacant when we moved in, but apparently they had been living there for years with no electric or water. They had a small hole in their roof when we moved in, which had progressed in 2 years to a 6 foot opening, inhabited by a family of ducks.

Right before we moved (after 4 years), they finally got evicted and someone bought the house at auction and flipped it.

I feel bad for whoever bought that house as although the flipper put a new roof on, they didn’t do a gut renovate and God only knows how much water/mold had saturated that place given it rained daily for six months out of the year.


Unicorn_puke t1_iqu88jx wrote

Did the ducks get evicted too, or did they have to cover rent and put it on their bill?


UnofficialSlimShady OP t1_iqsk8va wrote

I was going to put a thin tarp on the roof until I can get a roofer in next week to fix it. Anything else I should do in the mean time?


rivalarrival t1_iqsngpp wrote

If you have any access to the attic, leave the door or hatch open. A fan in the attic area would also be useful.


nadalcameron t1_iqsla0a wrote

Try to keep things dry. Make sure the air is circulating well in the kitchen. About all you can do until they get there, as far as I know. From having two different roofs leak.

Thankfully if it just started everything could be good. Especially with you getting people out there quick. Roof leaks are the worst.

Good luck with it.


trash_recycle t1_iqt6wi4 wrote

Pull out any accessible wet insulation that you find, it's basically a sponge holding moisture. Anything you can do to get airflow onto the wet surfaces. If you see microbial growth spray it with a disinfectant. Google the bleach to water ratio if you don't have access to "ready to use" antimicrobial products.


nsa_reddit_monitor t1_iqt9raw wrote

> Google the bleach to water ratio

IIRC my bottle of drinking bleach has the ratio printed on the label.


alan_an t1_iqt4hgy wrote

If you can find where the roof is leaking, put henry 208 over the roof.

Same thing happened to me and I used a tarp, but it keeps moving with the wind even with bricks all over. If you put it there for too long the tarp will disintegrate and leave little strands everywhere.

Depending on how long it will take to get your roof fixed, use tarp for a few weeks, henry for months.


tinacat933 t1_iqsooy8 wrote

Call your insurance and see if they will help pay for it inside and out. You may need to go into your attic and see if part of your ceiling need replaced


floppy_socks t1_iqty7rq wrote

Go on the roof and seal around your vents that stick through the roof.

Same thing happened to me. I think I used flex seal.


alohadave t1_iqty644 wrote

And beware that it might not be right above this spot. It usually is, but water can travel through the structure in weird ways sometimes.


Hannover2k t1_iqso8xx wrote

The water was likely running from another location then dripping through the spot you saw. When you pushed the screwdriver through, it may have created a small lip of soft material (drywall?) around the hole that now diverts the water around the hole and somewhere else. Picture it as the lip around a crater or an ant hole created by the upward pressure of soft, wet material by the screwdriver. The water drained quickly at first because it was above the 'rim' but once it went below, it started going to the next low point on your ceiling. That's my thought anyways.


UncleBones t1_iqv33d7 wrote

More likely there’s a slow leak from the roof, and water had accumulated before starting to leak through the ceiling. He drained the accumulated water, but the slow leak is still going.


Hannover2k t1_iqyneze wrote

I'd dare to say it's a little of both since I thought he said it was still raining but didn't continue to leak.


Pasturemate t1_iqtufyg wrote

Keep in mind that roofers want to put on new roofs. If you ask them whether you need a new roof, most will say yes. I called a roof inspector (who used to be a roofer) and he went up, took photos, wrote me a report that included recommended repairs and where to get the materials for them, and charged me less than $200. A roofer had said I needed a roof and bid the job at $13,000. That was 5 years ago and my roof is doing fine.


Ma1eficent t1_iquht48 wrote

I must have the most honest roofers on earth. Had a leak at the flashing, two roofing companies came out for bids and both told me I had ten years left on the roof and to just get a new flashing strip and some roofing tar, and one even showed me exactly where to overlay the new to stop the intrusion.


Cucoloris t1_iqsl23d wrote

contact your insurance agent. You may be covered for a roof leak, I know my insurance would cover this.


jesta192 t1_iqsmpnq wrote

Be cautious about this step. My insurance said "not only will we not cover this, but you have (x) days to have the damage repaired and show us proof, or we're canceling your policy". We finished everything but the trim in the room that was reworked by the deadline, and they said "not good enough" and canceled the policy...


Zeddica t1_iqsnkns wrote

Name and shame? Sounds like a bullshit company to work with.


jesta192 t1_iqso9s6 wrote

Capitol Preferred out of Florida


xixi2 t1_iqtmfkt wrote

Oh - homeowners insurance in Florida is being difficult? What's new -_-


nixstyx t1_iqu06we wrote

The problem here is Florida. The state’s insurance market is forever fucked


nsa_reddit_monitor t1_iqta5xn wrote

I guess if you're concerned about insurance doing BS like what happened to u/jesta192, phrase it like it's a hypothetical. "We've been having all kinds of storms, and my friend said to watch out for roof leaks, so I was wondering what my coverage is just in case I need to make a claim"


garbageemail222 t1_iqtppgs wrote

They consider that as you having a leak. Hypotheticals hit you too.


nsa_reddit_monitor t1_iqtx9yg wrote

Wait, you mean asking what you're actually paying for gets you in trouble?


HolyCloudNinja t1_iqvkeec wrote

There's probably some very specific wording you can use to get an itemized coverage list from them, hopefully required by law, probably not though. I would imagine if you come around at renewal time, ask for a proper itemized list or you won't be renewing, they'd probably hand it over. Or at initial sign up, an agent will likely be allowed quite a lot of freedom if it means a sale.


NicePumasKid t1_iqtvbm4 wrote

Tarp on your roof NOW. Call a roofer ASAP. If you let this go on you’re fucked big time.


Ashazy1622 t1_iqvljp5 wrote

This here answers your interim question. You gotta put a tarp on the roof and weight it down.


rollergo11 t1_iqvnjk5 wrote

OP mentioned philly. High chances he's in a row home like me. Rubber/epdm roofing is a fairly easy repair, and really hard to tarp because they are flat with a slight slant. Best to just call someone if that's the case. Also they are really hard to climb on top of lol. I need a 34' ladder to get on my roof and that shit is scary


canIcookityesIcan t1_iqsiyy4 wrote

Not an issue that will resolve itself! Water damage is no joke and the longer you wait the more it will cost to fix.


digdilem t1_iqsofel wrote

Not seeing this perspective in the other replies yet but...

It may have stopped coming in because the wind is not blowing as much, or is blowing from another direction.

Storms can blow water downward, sideways and upwards. That you got water inside is clearly a problem, and tracing such an occasional problem can be very difficult, but you're doing the right thing in protection your roof until you can get an expert in to survey and report.


hambonegw t1_iqtkypw wrote

You should absolutely follow up with a professional.

However, I’ll saw I had a similar thing happen and it turned out that the volume of sideways rain from tropical storm Mathew had caused to blow into our vent for one of our bathroom fans - and leaked just a bit between the seams where the vent duct met the exterior wall. It happened once 6 years ago and never again.


whosthedoginthisscen t1_iqudsu0 wrote

A professional what? We're assuming it's a roof thing, but what if it's a plumbing thing? I assume you need someone to cut apart the ceiling and look around to find the source of the water. I have a similar sitch, except I have a master bathroom above my moldy spot (which is in the garage), and I think it was old caulk that I recently replaced. But I'm not sure who to call to take apart the ceiling, remove the insulation and start poking around to determine if I fixed it with new caulk, or if it's an ongoing issue.


King0liver t1_iqsq28h wrote

You probably have a lot of drywall and insulation to replace in addition to the roof repair.


GAF78 t1_iqugqjb wrote

I have water coming in through the ceiling. The thing above the ceiling is the roof. It’s been raining. WhAt CoUlD Be hApPenInG

Some people shouldn’t own homes.


tyreka13 t1_iqt804n wrote

Also, there is a chance of event leaking. We had a leaky roof for months in an apartment and it was the toilet above that leaked when flushed. The apartment maintenance kept trying to say it was AC condensation.


willhikeforbeer88 t1_iqth3sl wrote

This very thing happened to me when my wife put a 2.5 gallon water jug, like the fridge dispenser type, in an upstairs closet and unknowingly scraped a hole in the bottom of it.


DamnBlaze09 t1_iqtnx7e wrote

Knew someone this happened. The drain for the drip pan beneath the AC unit in their attic was blocked by mouse nests and poop. The condensation overflowed out of the drip pan into the attic and did this.


not_lurking_this_tim t1_iqtuvba wrote

>Edit: What could I do in the interim before I get a roofer in to take a look?

I realize this is DIY, but... Do you have insurance? Call your insurance company and tell them. They will likely pay for a professional tarp to prevent further damage, while they they investigate the repair claim. This sort of thing can be a big deal (mold, weakened beams, etc), so if you can, call in the pros.

If not, definitely a tarp, and read up on how to properly apply it to prevent more damage.


dabluebunny t1_iqty8f5 wrote

Start? Yes. Self resolve? Never.


kwilson25j t1_iqsrsmd wrote

When I had an issue like that it was a gasket around one of the vents that “failed”. Basically dry rot I guess. Easy Fix for a roofer if that’s the case.


kgraettinger t1_iqsxmfp wrote

Not much you can do now except put a fan on it. I live in Philly too - these guys are great and fixed a leak on my roof that I had multiple people out for who said they just couldn’t figure it out - they fit me in quickly and showed up on time and their prices were competitive - you know if you don’t have a reliable roofer already -


pattyG80 t1_iqt46ln wrote

Your roof leaks, water is accumulating in the attic


jumpofffromhere t1_iqtccyx wrote

weather is changing, check your AC drip pan for plugged up lines, if your drip pan is full you need to have it checked to find out why it is condensing so much


shaka893P t1_iqthwav wrote

Had this happen to me, the issues was a vent that wasn't sealed correctly and water was coming in from the storm but only at a certain angle. Is there a vent around that area


slothlovereddit t1_iqti8g3 wrote

Are you the home owner or just renting? If home owner you can try to repair it temporarily but should probably plan on a new roof soon. If you can get onto the roof safely you can try to identify where the leak is coming from and patch it with these products. I'm also assuming it is a flat roof because of your location.


Mortifer t1_iqtoqci wrote

I had a somewhat similar experience that involved an emergency overflow drain. It wasn't that poking a hole fixed the issue, but that the water from above seemed to randomly stop leaking when the outside weather conditions had not changed. It was a mystery until the landlord finally got someone to inspect the problem. It turned out the normal drainage mechanism would become temporarily clogged by random wind events, and then water would build up to a level where it drained through an "emergency" outlet intended to keep the weight of collected water below a certain threshold. It was just a piece of open PVC pipe packed into a brick wall around the affected area. When the normal drain was clogged, it would eventually allow water down onto my unit, but when the normal drain would somehow blow open etc., the water would stop leaking.


CoronaLime t1_iqtqn5s wrote

I don't understand your confusion. You're wondering why it stopped dripping? The roof clearly has a leak and it allowed in some outside water in, it's not gonna be a nonstop water source.


BillyRay_Valentine t1_iqtueqx wrote

So this is way out in left field but I will tell you what I did for a hurricane issue.

I went up in the attic and found the damage. It was minor but enough that I could not just catch it in a storage tub. I got out my cooler and put it under the leak and went outside and grabbed my hose. I cut the end off and forced it over the outgoing cooler bib/nozzle.

Then just ran it down out of the attic into the nearest sink. Hindsight I could have just dropped it though the soffit.

Anyway it acted as a catch until I could fix the roof. Good luck. If you can find the issue and it is small I happen to use expanding foam and the covered it with flex seal and that held for over 6 months.

Dehumidifier and damp rid can pull the rest of it out.


SnakeJG t1_iqtxnj0 wrote

> What's going on? Do these issues start and self resolve ever?

Hahahahaha, no.


SkooksOnReddit t1_iqty82a wrote

Your ac unit isn't in the attic is it? Had this issue before and it turned out to be a clogged drain line for the ac.


Brewtech3 t1_iqu30u6 wrote

Prob a water leak...


xxanity t1_iqu81pj wrote

I also am from philly, my flat roofed house as a child had a lot of leaks and i've done the same as you.

you have a leak in the roof, that's running into a crawl space above you. You may believe there is just a roof above you, but there is an insulated crawl space. somewhere in the roof is a crack allowing water to pool in that crawlspace. It's gotten bad enough to soak thru the dry wall above your head.

you poked a hole and it drained out the pool of water, but you still have a leak.

If you allow it to continue, as my family had for years as a child, you will get the fun adventure of having mushrooms grow upside down from your ceiling.

I don't recommend eating them.


nivaOne t1_iqubj3s wrote

Storm = a lot of wind -> water is blown into holes or cracks in the curb part of your roof. Or underneath shingles which need to be reattached etc . Typically happens during rare conditions like a storm coming from a certain direction.


leegunter t1_iquj2u8 wrote

I work professionally in water mitigation, hold multiple certifications in said field, and am particularly known for (1) my mold work, (2) creative solutions to difficult problems, and (3) the ability to resolve difficult to find water sources.

You need to call insurance, file the claim, and let a professional start doing stuff that the insurance company will pay for, not you.

They will take down some ceiling where you've already poked a hole. When that is done, the problem will be relatively easy to find.


hundredhippies t1_iqvqf06 wrote

Please know insurance may deny claim and you may have to fix repairs out of your own wallet. Call your insurance agent first before filing a claim. Once the incident is on record with claims, it can’t be removed. Speaking to your agent first will give you a better idea on what will and won’t be covered. I know for a fact most home insurance companies don’t cover mold, only usually if a separate mold endorsement has been added… wish you luck.


Sharp-Procedure5237 t1_iquokp7 wrote

Run, don’t walk, for a roof tarp. Then call a good roofer. Inspect and video what is under the shingles/sheathing when they are exposed. Never ignore a water leak. The damage expands exponentially.


ProotPralala t1_iquzv1r wrote

Is that a popcorn ceiling? Might want to test for asbestos now that you've poked a hole in it.


John5247 t1_iqvi7fp wrote

Ah! The drip from your ceiling is never directly under the hole in your roof. Water tracks sideways. Rain gets in roof hole, water makes a pool and finds a weak spot in the ceiling yards away.

Check the flashing round the roof edge.


zzatara t1_iqsrkle wrote

This happened to my friend and water was coming through a loose piece of siding.


IamAFlaw t1_iqt0gi1 wrote

Someone flushed?


XMAN2YMAN t1_iqt5na8 wrote

This is your home correct and not a rental??


paktsardines t1_iqtnndc wrote

Is the other side of that wall an exterior wall? If so, I'll wager your gutters are overflowing and spilling out.


centuryeyes t1_iqtq9xa wrote

Also check your vent pipes. These are the pipes that stick out of the roof that are connected to your bathroom plumbing. They deteriorate and leak into the attic and then through the ceiling.


yodeler1234 t1_iqtsjvr wrote

Great thread. That problem won’t resolve itself. I did roofing for 8 years. Lots of mold could be in the forecast if that isn’t fixed by a professional


keinaso t1_iqtuawv wrote

Can you go in the attic and look? Maybe put some kind of container under the leak in the attic.


Temperature-Other t1_iqu4jaa wrote

Being a drywall guy, it looks like that ceiling texture has been patched before


Viscoct t1_iqu5py9 wrote

i think your issue is the ceiling. you have to remove it then therell be no water leaking through it anymore.


Teamfreshcanada t1_iqu5tq4 wrote

You gotta find where the water is getting in. Could be a leaky roof, could be strong winds that blew water through an attic vent or underneath the shingles something. A little water will eventually dry (if it's a one time event). Prolonged moisture will rot and mold, so prevention and dealing swiftly with the issue is the best way to go.


plenar10 t1_iqu60t6 wrote

While you're waiting for the roofer, you should put a large bucket in the attic to catch the dripping water so it doesn't cause anymore damage. Then try to dry everything before it starts molding.


mmmellowcorn t1_iqucowa wrote

If you own, call insurance. I had my roof and gutters covered in a similar circumstance


BMKR t1_iquhzyx wrote

Make sure your scupper box is clear and water is draining off your rubber membrane roof. Source: Philadelphian, rubber roof leaky fuckin house owner. Make sure the water is not getting up under the flashing.


outofmemory01 t1_iquj2ba wrote

Okay...the 'long' answer: Water comes from many sources. I'll run down the most common: Plumbing leak - if this is a single family home structure that's easy enough to determine whether applicable - I cannot 'see' your place so you'll have to determine that.

You don't indicate whether this is a condo (multi-floor structure), a multi-story structure of any kind, a duplex, etc.

You cannot tell just by 'looking' it takes some sleuthing - it's a kitchen which means it has many water source potentials. Most commonly it's a roof flashing where a sink vent, stove exhaust, or some other utility penetration (like a hot water heater exhaust). But could also be a water pipe, an icemaker pipe, heating/cooling drain pan.

You say there's 'no space' up there - so that tends to rule out HVAC pan/stuff. But the other elements are possibilities - as are adjacent room services (bath, shower, water closet, laundry room).

Just because it stopped doesn't necessarily mean it's a roofing/weather problem - but most likely.

As the water built up above the ceiling it eventually saturated and perforated enough to have water evidence inside the space. Prior it was contained above, and building up a volume of water. When you poked it drained out a majority of the 'reserves' - it still may be leaking from any source...just not enough for it to be leaking through the roof. It could still be soaking into other materials. You've just changed the water path. When you poke a hole you potentially create a 'mountain' on the other side - where the water cannot continue to leak out of the screwdriver poke through spot...and may be saturating/finding another location - gravity always working on the water.

I cannot see your roof...but if it is a roof leak - these are usually pretty small. Buildings expand and contract - different elements at different speeds/distances. Thus the problem is usually at a penetration.

Your roof consists (most likely) of 3 layers...the upper protective/sun/water layer - this could be tile, shingles, rubber, tar rolled - lots of options here. Below that you have the vapor barrier or tar paper...and below that the roof sheathing (plywood most commonly).

Water, mostly wants to go 'down' many have said it can leak in one spot and travel along a pipe, conduit or rafter through adhesion/surface tension, and migrate to a spot where it has to drip down...and eventually start to puddle.

You cannot assume it's just the roof from what you've said - you'll have to get up there and find out the reason.

I'm assuming your home is a flat roof with nothing above it (I would hope you'd be smart enough to share/consider other leak sources - like an adjacent tenants toilet or I'll assume this is 'your house' and a single family dwelling just without an attic. No attic does make things harder.

If you're certain you've located the leak - many posts here have discussed how to locate and how to remedy - so I'll not waste their efforts repeating.

As for insurance - they're always looking for a reason to say "NO" or an avenue to decrease their obligation. It's through documentation you prove this later - and be certain your claim adjuster and EVERYONE knows you're collecting evidence - and retaining it. Your policy either covers this event, or it does not - I cannot answer that. If it does cover it they'll be looking for a way to save money or pay nothing. Showing good faith IMMEDIATE effort to remedy goes a lot farther than 'doing the wrong thing' - But wrong efforts which further cause damage could be held against you. The sooner you can get professionals out there - PAID AND UNDER CONTRACT the better. Just having them show up and review does show good faith but that company isn't responsible until you engage them through payment/writing.

Consider the potential for further harm to the structure and take steps to remedy that. That is what 'they' will use against you. Client learned of leak and DID NOTHING ABOUT IT for X # of days. That's wording that will look bad for you. You saying: I discovered the leak and 20 minutes later we sourced the location and put up pots/pans or hit it with silicone and called professionals would look great for your side. Chances are though, if you're covered the insurance will just pay without incident...these stories of them not paying usually has some mitigating factor or the 'real story' that wasn't told. Like a roof that knowingly leaked for months.

Anyway water leaks aren't rare. It could be anything from blown water in/under ripped up shingles due to wind/ a very old roof needing replacement...or something as small as a TINY crack that occurred at a roof vent...and is rolling down the roof vent to a collection spot, collected and eventually showed up inside at the kitchen.

I don't know your age, ability, tools on hand, or mechanical capabilities so I'll not 'instruct' you to do anything. Mostly if you can locate the leak caulking is enough to solve the problem for the short term until pro's can come fully remedy. If it's a leak that you cannot spot tarping the whole roof may be needed. Again, too many complexities there for a 'simple discussion' on that. Tarps also leak...and the potential for blown in water still exists. As does rooves are large areas where tarps are big and heavy. And without knowing the size, and weight abilities of your roof I'm not going to advise you to go up there. If you do choose to do that, be safe...use proper safety gear. And remember, that tarps work like shingles, remember to start at the bottom and leave plenty of overlap if you need multiple tarps.

I don't know the 'strength' of your roof...or how long this saturation has happened. Roof sheathing is very strong even when wet...but long term rotting can lead to structural failures and walking on a roof can considerably further damage a poor situation. Make sure as much of your inspection happens from below prior to you considering going on the roof. For all I know you're 72 years old and don't even belong in the category of even pulling out a ladder.

So don't assume it's 'rain' and don't assume that just because it 'stopped' it's because it's not raining. The hole - as many have said - or the problem will NOT FIX itself. Once the liquid barrier is broken it'll keep leaking until the water source is removed.

For all I know you've got a poorly insulated line up there and you're getting condensation drips - thats where warm/moist air hits a cool surface like water drops on the outside of a cool drink. Ultimately there's water where you don't want it coming out and it won't 'fix' itself without you causing that to happen. If it's a leaking water pipe just create some runoff path - something as easy as a string tied for the water to follow is enough. If it's a pressurized line that you can shut off - do so and turn it on as needed to minimize downtime leaking. If it's a line that can be unused (such as an ice maker feed) - just suffer without it for a while.

As you said there's no space - I'll assume you know what you're talking about. But common leaks are from pans, drain lines, or overflow lines from HVAC units. There's also a secondary pan below the unit that can also leak. Where I live/work I hear people all the time say 'we do not have an attic' - but there is a crawlspace. To them attic means something they can climb up into and store stuff via a ladder or stairs. If it's just 'roof above' as you say it makes tracking down the leak source easier - or harder depending on viewing angles available. Ultimately you have to find the leak and plug it and determine how best to proceed depending on what is leaking, how, and why. Good luck.


thatsMYBlKEpunk t1_iqunm98 wrote

Good luck neighbor, I’m a few miles over the Ben Frank in Jersey and our ceiling has a similar leak :(


BeartholomewTheThird t1_iquo1du wrote

No issues in your house resolves itself. And it's always better to fix things ASAP.


kielchaos t1_iquuyhb wrote

It was puddling somewhere between the roof and the ceiling. You only poked where some water was pooling.


Miyk t1_iquvbuh wrote

Step one. Look at your roof. It is not uncommon for plastic roof vents to lose their top cover during high winds. It will be pretty obvious if one is missing. Step 2. Check in attic. Once again roof jacks are very common leak spots, I would examine the range vent and any other vents above where the kitchen is. With any solid pipe going to the roof, you may need to feel the pipe to tell if water is running down the side. Step 3. Seal the problem with roofing tar or replace the roofjacks if needed.


Zealousideal-Way-119 t1_iquwwcr wrote

It could be your air handler If it is up there. You need to go check around the unit , especially the drain pan . If there is no water in the drain pan then make sure the inside of the unit is draining correctly to the condensation line (pvc pipe)

If all that is fine then make sure the unit is level, sometimes a unit that is not level can have draining issues and will leaking can occur.

If you are absolutely sure it's not the ac unit then go up on the roof and check shingles, they are cheap. If you hire a roofer or hvac guy to check the roof and system you will get charged, a lot .


SweetyPeety t1_iquz66q wrote

Leaky roof or flashing rotted away around venting. You need to get this fixed ASAP. It's more than just a potential mold problem. Could be a fire hazard too if water gets on electric wires.


DonneRR t1_iqv2wm6 wrote

At the first place I lived when I worked in Norway had this problem, but only when someone showered upstairs - might be worth looking this up thoroughly Indeed


tazmo8448 t1_iqv4swx wrote

not unless someone left a hose running in the rafters


candidate26 t1_iqv5vl9 wrote

It's also possible that it's condensation depending on your Insulation/ plaster boarding. We've had water condense between the foil backed board and insulation


C0lMustard t1_iqvedlq wrote

My guess is you have a slow leak that pooled below it over weeks, then you drained the pool and even though you still have the leak it's slow enough that it dries before it pools again.

Cut out a square of the drywall and find the leak otherwise it'll cost you 10 of thousands in black mold removal.


bonkerzrob t1_iqvhcjq wrote

I am a roof designer. Please get this looked at by a professional. You are most likely facing structural damages, leading to weaknesses in your roof. The most likely candidate is damage to the panelling overlaying your rafters or trusses or damage to the fascia/soffit boards.

The last thing you want is your ceiling joists going rotten/soft and caving in. This is unlikely, however you should still get this looked at asap as even the smallest changes can cause large deviations in the roof structure.

When you say there is no room above, there most probably is unless it’s a flat roof. Not a habitable room, but attic space. This space may contain your cold water storage tank or other plumbing which could be leaking and also be a candidate for this issue. Check your water pressure is as normal. Contact your land lord rigit away if you have one.


JimmyPD92 t1_iqvil5s wrote

Check your guttering. I had water overflowing from the gutter and getting forced up in to the gap between roof tiles. It was coming in between the upstairs ceiling and loft floor, reaching the chimney breast before dripping down in to my bedroom.

I had the gutters empties (I paid to have hedgehogs put in them so who knows what happened to those). The guy basically pulled a big chunk of turf about 2 foot long and the problem was solved.

If one of those two walls is an external wall with guttering (or old brickwork), it could be the problem. Sounds like it is if it's a room with a roof above it.


kassrot t1_iqvl55m wrote

It's condensation. Completely fine


MisterSlippers t1_iqvnd7x wrote

It's probably roof damage, but two other things I've seen are condensation dropping off a saggingAC evaporator line due to the insulation around the line corroding (not sure if you have central air) and a leak on a wax toilet ring due to heavy plunging. It's worth checking what's above the water damage.


doghouse2001 t1_iqvp3uj wrote

Hole in the roof, call that roofer even if to do a temporary patch. Water is collecting above the vapor barrier, Punching a hole trough the vapor barrier makes matters worse by allowing ceiling plaster to get wetter faster. You'll also need someone who can repair vapor barrier and plaster, and possibly even attic insulation.


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neuromonkey t1_iquvl4j wrote

> Do these issues start and self resolve ever?

Absolutely. I have a homeopathic general contractor. She gave me a tincture that'll clear up pretty much any non-structural problem in just a few weeks.