For reasons, I would like one of my toilets to be pointing about 20 degrees from the usual direction. It's not possible with a traditional toilet, due to wall interference on the tank, but the pictures I've seen make it seem like it is possible if I upgrade to a tankless toilet. First, is there anything about tankless toilets that would still cause the interference issue that may not be obvious in the pictures? Second, is there any other reason why this wouldn't be possible, perhaps plumbing related?
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Nesman64 t1_j9ezu68 wrote
Toilet is in a weird corner and there is either a cabinet or bit of wall sticking out in front of it. OP has long legs. He's tired of sitting off center in the seat just for his knees to have clearance.
MakeMeAsandwichYo t1_j9frdrj wrote
My friend I lived with had a similar thing, but with a tub placed about a foot in front of the toilet. I messed up my leg and had a full isolation brace while staying there. I never knew taking a shit could be so difficult. I had to sit at a 45 degree angle, which took about a minute to achieve.
kibblet t1_j9iqa6a wrote
I currently have a brace like that and even under the best of circumstances going to the toilet is annoying as hell. Couldnt imagine doing it under those circumstances.
MakeMeAsandwichYo t1_j9jv2bw wrote
I hope you get it off soon and recovery is in your future. Best of luck!
RobertGA23 t1_j9exijz wrote
I just don't have the mental capacity or endurance for that right now.
yeshaveanother t1_j9eyli7 wrote
Probably to make AC Slatering easier.
YourStarsAlgonquin t1_j9fmmf2 wrote
The Riker Maneuver.
atmetal OP t1_j9gnmbr wrote
The reason is very sane and normal, but in my experience, redditors tend to go on side tangents that have nothing to do with my question. Ever since yahoo answers shut down, I have been on reddit, treating it in the same way. Quite frankly, I don't know how so many people have so much time to have reddit discussions just for the sake of discussion.
DistractingDiversion t1_j9ixah8 wrote
>I don't know how so many people have so much time to have reddit discussions just for the sake of discussion.
Escapism comes in many forms
missionbeach t1_j9f0vjz wrote
Safety? By rotating the toilet a bit, OP can now see out the door? I've seen a lot of movies where the guy gets shot while sitting on the toilet.
Stock-Pension1803 t1_j9wm1ij wrote
You think he’s got a toilet holster?
merelyadoptedthedark t1_j9f2iin wrote
Better angle for the "security" camera.
ifihadanickel t1_j9f1e6s wrote
Space to store the torsos. The master closet is getting full.
root_over_ssh t1_j9g9muy wrote
Spreading and better view of the tv through the door
Acid_Traffik t1_j9gksqd wrote
I want to poop facing magnetic north
CommonConfusables t1_j9ezh5c wrote
Space for a wheelchair access?
Otherwise just leave it because it’s personal and not a thing we need to know.
Mr-Korv t1_j9fwlww wrote
I just chalk up the inexplicable to sexual preference to clear the cognitive dissonance and move on
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aequitssaint t1_j9fk06x wrote
I would assume an unusually shaped room or they want to put a wall in that would be too close to the rough in to comfortably sit on it.
v0x_nihili t1_j9f1ayk wrote
stud location
loganab13 t1_j9f3l4p wrote
What do wall studs have to do with toilet positioning
v0x_nihili t1_j9f45at wrote
oops. reread the post and I have confused the issue of the tankless positioning with the regular tank toilet positioning.
loganab13 t1_j9f48f4 wrote
Even still.. wall studs don’t impact toilet location.
Few_Ad_5677 t1_j9f77mk wrote
loganab13 t1_j9f7hmb wrote
He isn’t talking about the toilet flange. Look at his reply.
Few_Ad_5677 t1_j9f8lld wrote
He is talking about the flange — tankless toilets generally have a different mounting scheme, don’t they?
loganab13 t1_j9f98r5 wrote
No. The only tankless toilets that vary from typical flanges are wall hung (carrier) toilets which aren’t all that common in residential settings. OP needs to ensure he has the water pressure for the tankless unit to operate in the first place.
ThreeBlurryDecades t1_j9eulvl wrote
Unless you are redoing the plumbing, the toilet flange may not be oriented correctly for your vision and could require changing.
atmetal OP t1_j9gnvny wrote
It was my hope to not have to redo plumbing, but if necessary and not too bad, I would do it. I assume you mean that the flange would have to come off the piping and then replaced at the same angle as the toilet?
ThreeBlurryDecades t1_j9gqp7b wrote
Yes, that. If access is easy, and its not ancient iron or rotted copper, no problem. In other cases, bigger problem. In any case its always possible, just not always easy or cheap. You can certainly do it or pay someone to do it if you want to bad enough.
randomn49er t1_j9eyywr wrote
The flange will be roughed in for the toilet to sit perpendicular. If you want to place the toilet on an angle the rough in will need to be changed.
atmetal OP t1_j9go9oc wrote
I have zero experience in home maintenance. Everyone starts somewhere and the top of the list for my situation is several bathroom items. So, could you explain what "rough in" means for this specific situation? I think I understand it from doing a quick google search just now, but the principle behind my original question was to see it is possible to rotate a toilet with the drain pipe as the axis of rotation and still have it function.
randomn49er t1_j9hflgv wrote
Rough in is placement of plumbing before floors and walls are completed. After walls and floors are completed we return to "finish" the plumbing by connecting to the rough in plumbing.
A toilet flange has notches and slots that are used to anchor the t bolts that anchor the toilet. The flange is orientated to be square to the wall. If you want to change it to sit at an angle the plumbing under the floor will need to be moved and a new flange installed so that the notches are at an angle.
Edit: I am saying the same as waderson85 is saying. Just in different terms.
BeerOlympian t1_j9f17kv wrote
Tankless implying commercial grade with a flush valve? Or tankless implying a disconnected, in wall tank? Former plumbing engineer and currently on the contracting side so I’m very intrigued by this question.
I_Know_What_Happened t1_j9hww9x wrote
They have toilets now for residential that don’t have a tank in the wall or attached on top.
BeerOlympian t1_j9i9alr wrote
Yes but those are still very uncommon in residential. That’s why I asked though.
I_Know_What_Happened t1_j9jh4ru wrote
Oh yea. I’ve seen them pop up within the last few months at least being advertised a lot. They are expensive. The ones I saw are 1000+ but they are also ones with like a bidet, air dryer, self open and close lids.
BeerOlympian t1_j9jjoy2 wrote
If you want a good laugh check out the Kohler Numi. https://www.kohler.com/en/products/toilets/shop-toilets/numi-2-0-one-piece-elongated-smart-toilet-dual-flush-30754-pa?skuId=30754-PA-0
atmetal OP t1_j9gon94 wrote
I don't know what qualifies for commercial grade, as the pictures I've seen strongly imply they are built for residential use, but I am certainly talking about a truly tankless design. The flushometer design so often seen in public toilets has long been a dream of mine because of their seemingly superior performance, but that obviously has nothing to do with my motivations for wanting to rotate the toilet.
waderson85 t1_j9h8y5u wrote
A standard commercial chrome flush valve or "flushometer" for a toilet is designed to be connected to a 1inch diameter water line. Depending on your specific home, you may not have any piping larger than 3/4 inch in diameter anywhere. The pressure drop caused by a commercial flush valve opening in your average house will likely cause the flush valve to perform poorly. In addition, the water line will have to be relocated from the standard 6-8 inches above the floor to roughly 12 inches above the top of the toilet and 4-5 inches off centerline. A water line coming out of a square/flat wall at an angle will look super weird, if the toilet is in a corner, it will be harder to accomplish and probably look worse (in my opinion).
Others have mentioned that at best, the flange will have to be repositioned due to the slots for the bolts that hold the toilet to the flange not being aligned with your desired position. This might require you to cut the existing anchors and spin the outer ring with the slots in it, it also might require complete flange replacement. Worst case, this toilet is in a tight corner and turning the toilet to your desired angle will conflict with existing walls requiring you to break open the floor and/or crawl under the house to relocate the opening further away from adjacent walls.
Should you ever have to move, this will likely need to all be undone.
All that to say this project is likely more trouble than it is worth.
BeerOlympian t1_j9i97dx wrote
If your house has the pressure the 1” connection could be doable still. Have to make/buy a pressure gauge to fit on a hose bibb and run some other fixtures in your house to see what happens. Short burst of water from the valve would only really be noticeable if you were in the shower. As others have mentioned this could be a lot of rework depending where you upsize your water to and probably would need a water hammer arrestor for the toilet too.
Acid_Traffik t1_j9gl2xb wrote
What about a maceration toilet? Lol
Looked into installing a bathroom in my basement once upon a time. Once I considered all logistics involved I gave up on that endeavor pretty quickly.
BeerOlympian t1_j9i8lvi wrote
Zoeller Quik Jon would help with that. Macerating toilet with a pump. Happy to run some numbers with you if you’re serious about it.
fredsam25 t1_j9ez86x wrote
You have to also take note of the rough in position and the true dimensions of the toilet. I've seen regular toilets placed at an angle by using a 10" toilet on a 12" rough in. Likewise, if you had a 14* rough in, you probably could get away with any 12" toilet. That should open up more options for you.
keyserv t1_j9f241c wrote
A tankless toilet? Like a flushometer? You'd have to realign the closet flange and run a new rough in for the supply. It may be worth it if you really need that angle....
atmetal OP t1_j9gp1ab wrote
Forgive me and my zero experience. I watched one manufacturer-produced installation video on youtube and the toilet appeared to have a supply hose coming from the wall like most toilets do. Why would supply plumbing need to be changed?
openminded74 t1_j9gv5ts wrote
On a tank type toilet they use the atmospheric pressure from the water in the tank to create the flushing action but a toilet without the tank needs the volume and pressure from a larger pipe to do the same thing. A toilet flush valve is always 1" and sometimes if the pressure is to low it still can have problems flushing. Also the flushvalve needs a copper pipe coming out of the wall that is supported so it cannot move so the fitting to connect it can be soldered on and you don't want it to be able to move around or that will cause leaks where the pipe goes into the bowl.
root_over_ssh t1_j9ehln9 wrote
I suppose it depends on the specific toilet you buy, but it'll most likely still have corners that will interfere with the wall when rotated
atmetal OP t1_j9gorsj wrote
That's too bad. I would have to find one that doesn't really have corners and you make it sound as if that's the exception to the rule.
mmaalex t1_j9f4sdu wrote
We have a flushometer style toilet on my ship that is cocked somewhat to fit in a weird corner. It should work as long as the flange is angled correctly, and you can make the water hookup work.
csbarbourv t1_j9f8odd wrote
I just got a woodbridge tankless bidet. They included very detailed diagrams showing the dimensions. You could create a template which would show any obstructions or interference issues.
The flange mounting location may still be an issue depending on which direction you want to rotate it.
atmetal OP t1_j9gpqt4 wrote
This may be helpful in multiple ways because I currently use a bidet attachment and my concern was how I could continue using it given that tankless toilets look incompatible with mounting the attachment. I already knew about toilets that have integrated bidets, but wrote them off because I feared they would not be appealing to future buyers (I am located in the US). However, if a bidet attachment was never going to work on a tankless toilet, then I would be getting an integrated bidet because I can't go without a bidet.
callipaint88 t1_j9hjbtf wrote
If you’re concerned about future buyers then don’t do this.
openminded74 t1_j9glwaa wrote
There is no reason you can't do that but you will need a 1" water supply to flush it. The flange would be easy enough to change either with a repair type flange or anchor bolts going into the floor where the mounting bolts come thru the bowl. One thing to keep in mind is that those types of toilets flush quite loudly so it could a issue for that.
SharkyTheCar t1_j9n17ly wrote
Install a sink. Piss in the sink.
CommonConfusables t1_j9f01se wrote
People have mentioned the flange being a specific direction in the floor.
Depending on your reasons, there may be other solutions for you. If you don’t want to share, you can share reasons like “I need additional clearance around the toilet” or “it would give me more privacy” or “toilet position causes injuries or blocks pathway”
Few_Ad_5677 t1_j9f71vy wrote
You’ll need to much with the flange/studs so the screws line up with the bowl
thegreatgazoo t1_j9fg85y wrote
Code in the US says that you need at least 15" of side clearance from the center of the toilet to an obstacle. You might look into how that is written.
incensenonsense t1_j9fybnd wrote
Also see how good the flooring was laid around the flange. I once switched a toilet to one with a slightly smaller form-factor and suddenly had un-grouted tile exposed…don’t think this would be that common but whoever laid the tile maybe ran out of grout or got lazy but didn’t bother grouting what was covered by the original toilet footprint.
atmetal OP t1_j9gq1fa wrote
This question is in the context of a general bathroom remodel, but thanks for the advice.
Bammer7 t1_j9g3v50 wrote
You will have to rotate the flange so the bolts line up how you want. That either means a new flange or a new repair ring that will fit the current flange. You may also have to use a longer water line since it probably won't be lined up straight anymore.
The other comments about plumbing code are valid, but if it's your house you can pretty much do what you want. Just be prepared to put it back if you sell the house, or possibly take some flack regarding the inspections and other potential hassles. It's also possible that if there is a flood/leak or something and your insurance adjuster deems that it was "installed wrong" you could be looking at denial of coverage I guess.
Internal_Use8954 t1_j9gwr3m wrote
The flange is one issue, the other is water pressure, they require higher pressure, and a water hammer arrestor is also highly recommended. And the pipes still have to come down somewhere. And most flush valves are still connected to the wall
tob007 t1_j9hm21k wrote
You can also disconnect the toilet and place the tank high above with a long downflow pipe and a donut connection. Old toilets were arranged like this to provide extra pressure to flush with a chain on the handle that hung down. It works for cramped WCs as it gets the tank out of the way.
This will let you use a regular commode and not the commercial ones that require a much bigger supply line. Your toilet flange might need to be changed but thats fairly easy.
edit: 10" rough-in toilets exist and are great for small spaces. That's all I install now and I love the space it saves.
jippyjayjay t1_j9jlxi8 wrote
You could likely loosen the two nuts holding the toilet down and turn it 5 degrees with no modifications. I’ve also seen an older toilet and tank that sits in a corner which would surly look the best. Better yet though you should consult a professional with pictures from in the bathroom and below if possible. Have a tape measure near by aswell.
billswinter t1_j9ex8q9 wrote
Anybody care to theorize the “reasons”?