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kjblank80 t1_iqrlxfv wrote

Does Ken Burns go into how IBM developed the system Germany used to track and manage the Holocaust?

Does he go into how NYTimes his the Holocaust from the public?

Does he go into how Ivy League schools praised Hitler and how the US Eugenics movement influenced hitlers plans for the Holocaust?

The US internment camps are bad, but minor compared to other actions prior to us getting into war.

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jrssister t1_iqrnu6q wrote

He does. You should watch it.

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kjblank80 t1_iqronu9 wrote

Thanks, usually wait a bit on larger documentaries.

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jrssister t1_iqrum25 wrote

Understood. But do watch it at some point, some of the things you listed are the focus of the film. It doesn’t sugarcoat anything.

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pjw21200 t1_iqrnbga wrote

He does discuss the eugenics laws and some about American praising Hitler. But he talked a lot about him crow laws and how that influenced laws against Jews in Germany

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Buffyoh t1_iqs2fos wrote

There were laws in European nations restricting the activities of Jews long before there were Jim Crow laws.

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jvrm1993 t1_iqsr39p wrote

Yes but the topic of the documentary is the US and the holocaust, so that was mainly what Burns focused on

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pjw21200 t1_iqs2num wrote

Yes but it was stated that Nazis turned to him crow laws when writing the Nuremberg laws.

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Whatisthisisitbad t1_iqrqqit wrote

Even better, does he talk about how much Hitler was influenced by America's "Manifest Destiny" in the mid 19th century, and used it as a justification for the calls for Lebensraum, or "Living Space", for Germans?

Hitler saw no marked difference in the multi-decade long genocide of native "savages" by the US government to expand it's borders, resources, and strength, and his own plans to do the same to the Slavic "subhumans" that inhabitated the Eurasian continent he planned to take over via extermination and enslavement with General Plan East beginning in June 1941.

Was he wrong? Is there really a difference?

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PoorPDOP86 t1_iqs8902 wrote

>does he talk about how much Hitler was influenced by America's "Manifest Destiny" in the mid 19th century, and used it as a justification for the calls for Lebensraum, or "Living Space", for Germans?

Probably mentions it but knowing that Burns isn't some shill for the "Europe never does anything wrong" crowd he probably also mentions the centuries of persecutions of Jews and minority groups in all of Europe.

Is there a difference? A natural conflict between two cultures that results in the near elimination of one versus the systemic and planned genocide of an entire people. Uh duhhhh I don't know /s. The propaganda is strong with Reddit today.

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Whatisthisisitbad t1_iqw0jyv wrote

>Is there a difference? A natural conflict between two cultures that results in the near elimination of one versus

Natural conflict?

> the systemic and planned genocide of an entire people. Uh duhhhh I don't know /s. The propaganda is strong with Reddit today.

I'm not going for a derr America bad take, I'm honestly saying that when you dig down into what the US did and what Hitler planned, it's pretty similar. Distinction without a difference

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kjblank80 t1_iqrrvwk wrote

He was very much influenced by US academia and intellectuals at the time that saw genocide of natives as a template to then do this to blacks, Italians, Irish, etc in the early 1900s as a means for Germany to create their empire.

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s_y_s_t_e_m_i_c_ OP t1_iqrnhv7 wrote

The NYT? Can you please elaborate?

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kjblank80 t1_iqrrer9 wrote

There was effort to keep the concentration camps and plight if Jews out of the US news. Likely for a myriad of reasonz.

Most in the US didn't learn of any of it until after the war.

Within Europe, many new Jews were going to camps. Knowledge of the horrors wasn't as widespread. Considering most European countries only tolerated the presence of Jews, I could see some of the apathy on the news Germans were rounding up Jews in camps.

Related to the NYTimes, which set the news cycle in the US at the time, much of their reporting was propaganda from the FDR administration. There may have been noble and underhanded reasons for it.

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