India: The Modi Question (2023) - BBC investigates Indian PM Modi's rise in the Hindu Right-Wing stratosphere and deadly Anti-Muslim and Anti-Sikh Politics [00:59:00]

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Submitted by CryMore36 t3_10gdj2h in Documentaries

This Documentary has caused abit of a stir in India. It's an open secret how the current Right Wing Government (BJP) promoted the deadly Gujrat Riots led by Modi. They're flustered at the attention from Western Press revisiting it again.

>Modi’s term in Gujarat was tarnished by the 2002 Gujarat riots which were triggered when a train carrying Hindu pilgrims was burnt, with 59 people reported dead and the blame cast on Muslims.

>Violence erupted in the days of rioting that followed. Up to 2,000 people - a vast majority of whom consisted of Muslims that were targeted by the Hindu population - were killed, tens of thousands were displaced, and hundreds of mosques and dargahs were destroyed.

>The BJP government of Gujarat drew heavy criticism for its disdain in containing the organised massacre against the Muslim minority.

>Modi’s long debated role in the riots, with some accusing the then-chief minister of holding direct responsibility to the point of effectively endorsing the bloodshed, became the focus of the BBC series’ first episode.

Second episode airs Tuesday January 24th

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fall3nmartyr t1_j54rp33 wrote

Lmao modi brigade already shown up

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Allnamestaken69 t1_j55vqqd wrote

It’s sad, as an Indian abroad I hate to see it. Brainwashed fools dragging indian backwards.

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Oblong_spheroids t1_j55ykir wrote

At the risk of downvotes I will provide an opposing stance. I shouldn't need to say this but I will in case rabid anti-Modi people accuse me of being a bhakt. I am not a Modi voter but I do have my head out the clouds unlike some people.

Modi's government doesn't stay in power magically. The driving factors are:

  1. A useless opposition, an entire political party run by a corrupt family versus a less corrupt tea seller. There is quite clearly a difference here in terms of who people would vote for and it's been bloody obvious since 2014. Especially for Mumbai, Shiv Sena is even more fascist than BJP could dream to be, and NCP is even more corrupt than both combined. They both want to stay in power hence the Shiv Sena NCP alliance last term even though they are political opposites and have conflicts.

  2. Development, because despite what you want to believe the Hindu supremacy myth gets old pretty quickly. A lot of people who voted Modi aren't rabid enough to believe in that, and many of those who are have expected less and less from it, especially with Nupur Sharma controversies and how the government decided to go on an apologia tour in the gulf states.

So this means a lot of people who voted for Modi did so again for his 2nd term in 2019 because he delivers on many of his federal promises. When journalists traditionally anti-Modi admit there are some positives to his leadership, that is when you know the Modi situation is a lot more complex than what the original comment and BBC are willing to admit.

https://youtu.be/hwnnn1M-T5U

https://youtu.be/o5P_sYXBEDM

  1. the 2002 Gujarat riots are a complex series of issues and I don't believe the BBC provides a nuanced view on it. There is an excellent comment already made by us over at r/indianmoderate that I will edit in here if you care about the nuance.

https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianModerate/comments/10g4j5i/-/j50is1k

So my point is, someone like Modi doesn't stay in power for so long magically. There are many factors responsible for this. Calling a discussion of this the "modi brigade" or "bjp it cell" is just spineless because you just fuel their politics instead of holding a healthy discussion and convincing them why your politician of choice is better.

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kepler456 t1_j56bvfw wrote

As another Indian I will say this to all the readers who are not Indian or not too familiar with this:

There is a strong opposition in India and the BJP has bribed most ministers in many states to switch parties AFTER elections. The opposition leader even went on a walk from the south to the north of the country and many prominent personalities joined at different stages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharat_Jodo_Yatra but this does not really get a lot of media attention because most of the news channels are bought by the ruling party, Modis BJP.

Then there is the opposition winning many state elections, but there is a long list of states where the BJP bought over ministers and thus switched the government to their party since they now have the majority. For those ministers that cannot be bribed, Modis BJP threatens them like this: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/join-bjp-or-else-cms-bulldozer-is-ready-mp-minister-warns-congress-members/article66412235.ece These threats are mainly to those who did not already buckle from the pressure of investigations into them. The central bureau of investigations (CBI) that is now controlled by the ruling party even though it is meant to be independent (well known fact) targets the opposition. This is very obvious because 95% of the investigations being conducted are on the opposition: https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/ed-cbi-working-behalf-of-bjp-alleges-congress-leader-chidambaram-2294685-2022-11-08 (for a small opposition to have 95% of the cases it is once again quite obvious that the CBI is in the hands of the ruling party when around 50% of the sitting MLAs in the BJP government have at some point in their lives had criminal charges against them, but this is a feature in India at the moment and is a thing across party lines)

While investigations into the opposition take place people like who are a perfect representation of Modis India publicly ask Hindus to keep their knives sharp to go against the muslims and have no investigations or cases lodged and walk free on the streets of India https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/bjp-mp-pragya-thakur-calls-hindus-keep-knives-sharp-counter-love-jihad-171321

And you have people like this who want to make India like Iran with a religious board keeping check on the population: https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/dharma-censor-board-introduced-to-check-on-anti-religious-content-8393616/

Fun fact:

They (BJP, Modis party) continue to do well in elections in many states not because they think Modi was innocent in 2002 but on the contrary because they know he is not and want the same to happen across the country. There is a strong anti Muslim or antiminority vibe in India. Whatsapp groups of many families of friends, work whatsapp groups (which includes people of all religions) and more are filled with fake anti-muslim anti-minority news. It does not happen in every city, but it happens a lot. If there is a crime commited in India if it is a muslim that did it they make sure it is known that it was a muslim otherwise a man or a women did xxx instead of saying a Hindu man or Hindu woman.

This documentary is about the UKs investigations, but there was the same done in India that came to the same conclusion you can take a look at a summary here: https://sabrangindia.in/article/what-concerned-citizens-tribunal-said-about-role-nda-i-government-godhra or the full report here: http://www.unipune.ac.in/snc/cssh/humanrights/04%20COMMUNAL%20RIOTS/A%20-%20%20ANTI-MUSLIM%20RIOTS/04%20-GUJARAT/f.pdf

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Oblong_spheroids t1_j56src3 wrote

> There is a strong opposition in India and the BJP has bribed most ministers in many states to switch parties AFTER elections.

This is true but it happens not just with BJP but with other parties. Countless politicians have left Congress to join AAP and NPP, TMC as well because Congress is just this ineffective. Multiple billion dollar scams will do this to you

> The opposition leader even went on a walk from the south to the north of the country and many prominent personalities joined at different stages: but this does not really get a lot of media attention because most of the news channels are bought by the ruling party, Modis BJP.

Actually it gets tons of coverage. Here are the biggest newspapers in the country talking about it.

Hindustan Times

The Print

Indian Express

The Hindu

I could go on but I have a hunch you will claim these are all biased to Modi somehow, either bought by BJP, Adani etc.

The truth is, no one cares about a stupid walk from A to B. They care about how injustices done to them will be resolved, whether economic, religious and creed/caste based. Rahul Gandhi is considered by many to be inept and insanely corrupt. Even if Modi and his ilk can't solve people's issues, they still see it as a better option than Rahul Gandhi.

There is a reason he is referred to as "Pappu" insultingly and also why he was made fun of for his antics during this campaign.

> Then there is the opposition winning many state elections, but there is a long list of states where the BJP bought over ministers and thus switched the government to their party since they now have the majority. For those ministers that cannot be bribed, Modis BJP threatens them like this: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/join-bjp-or-else-cms-bulldozer-is-ready-mp-minister-warns-congress-members/article66412235.ece

> Hitting back, Guna district Congress chief Harishankar Vijaywargiya said the Minister's remarks have sullied the image of the BJP. "He should exercise restraint in his language. The people of Raghogarh will give a befitting reply to him on January 20 in the polls," Mr. Vijaywargiya said.

And people will vote accordingly to who provides them the best benefit. I think this was out of line for the BJP to say and they need to leash these people, so we can agree there.

> These threats are mainly to those who did not already buckle from the pressure of investigations into them. The central bureau of investigations (CBI) that is now controlled by the ruling party even though it is meant to be independent (well known fact) targets the opposition. This is very obvious because 95% of the investigations being conducted are on the opposition: https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/ed-cbi-working-behalf-of-bjp-alleges-congress-leader-chidambaram-2294685-2022-11-08 (for a small opposition to have 95% of the cases it is once again quite obvious that the CBI is in the hands of the ruling party when around 50% of the sitting MLAs in the BJP government have at some point in their lives had criminal charges against them, but this is a feature in India at the moment and is a thing across party lines)

So you are relying on the claims of a literal opposition member and some of your own numbers to claim CBI is in the hands of the BJP? Listen buddy nothing in India is clean of political influence but if the CBI is in the hands of the BJP why are these BJP ministers also being investigated by the CBI?

I even picked a typically anti-Modi source:

https://www.thequint.com/news/politics/cbi-ed-investigation-bjp-leaders-under-agencies-scanner

If I was as one sided as you, I would claim that the CBI is investigating more Congressis than BJP ministers because Congress has a much more corrupt history than the BJP (this part is undeniably true, denying this is just stupid) so the CBI is now investigating these scams gone uninvestigated. But you don't see me making a claim like that. Because the truth is I am much more balanced than you and you appear to simply shill pro-Congress material for all your talk of IT cells and CBI raids.

> While investigations into the opposition take place people like who are a perfect representation of Modis India publicly ask Hindus to keep their knives sharp to go against the muslims and have no investigations or cases lodged and walk free on the streets of India https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/bjp-mp-pragya-thakur-calls-hindus-keep-knives-sharp-counter-love-jihad-171321

Pragya Thakur is widely regarded as having terrorist tendancies by many people including the BJP electorate. It is still shameful she has not been let go by the BJP for these remarks though.

> And you have people like this who want to make India like Iran with a religious board keeping check on the population: https://indianexpress.com/article/entertainment/bollywood/dharma-censor-board-introduced-to-check-on-anti-religious-content-8393616/

What does this have to do with government? Last I checked this guy has no significant political power. And why only mention the Hindu aspect of it? When were you going to mention the Muslim aspect too? As I recall, both Hindu and Muslim extremists protested movies like Pathaan.

This is the problem with people like you and you are ironically why the BJP wins. You will only talk about one side of the problem, and the BJP will simply call you unbalanced (which is true) and thus win over the centrists. And then boom, they are now able to follow through with crazier policies they couldn't have proposed without majority support.

> They (BJP, Modis party) continue to do well in elections in many states not because they think Modi was innocent in 2002 but on the contrary because they know he is not and want the same to happen across the country.

This is objectively false and like I said earlier, you are part of the problem by being this one sided. It is seriously toxic.

When were you going to mention that this riot broke out very early into his term?

When were you going to mention his requests to neighboring states for police help getting rejected?

When were you going to mention that many innocent Hindus also died in this conflict? Especially the women and children in the Godhra train burnings which started all of this?

When were you going to mention Modi was not found guilty by the highest court in the country while the opposition part Congress was in power?

I was expecting a much more nuanced argument from you but this is seriously just unhinged. Modi is no saint but jesus you are no better than Bhakts with how pro-Congress and anti-Modi you are.

> There is a strong anti Muslim or antiminority vibe in India. Whatsapp groups of many families of friends, work whatsapp groups (which includes people of all religions) and more are filled with fake anti-muslim anti-minority news. It does not happen in every city, but it happens a lot. If there is a crime commited in India if it is a muslim that did it they make sure it is known that it was a muslim otherwise a man or a women did xxx instead of saying a Hindu man or Hindu woman.

There is no denying an anti-Muslim rise in rhetoric. Some of it used to be valid (wanting uniform civil code for all regardless of religion, religion specific subsidies etc) but now it has gotten much worse and unreasonable.

The issue is that Modi's government (as I linked you Shekhar Gupta's video) has actually provided for many of their voters, so now it is no longer simply just Hindu vs Muslim but also now infrastructure and pro-business policies. Again, to deny this is just stupid because Shekhar Gupta among many journalists is very anti-Modi and he is the one reporting on how Modi's government has made progress in these fields.

It must be nice living in a one dimensional world like yours. Let me know when you develop color technology as right now you live in black and white

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dumbredditer t1_j5fiaiv wrote

Tea seller? This is all bullshit. It was never proven he ever did this.

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Oblong_spheroids t1_j5fk7sg wrote

You are too focused on the semantics. I don't care whether he sold tea or camel piss quite frankly, the point is he doesn't come from the same dynastic background as the Gandhis. They don't even go by "Nehru-Gandhi" to capitalize on the Gandhi name.

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dumbredditer t1_j5fkr44 wrote

It's not focusing on semantics, he and his corrupt friends used that in political campaigns to portray him as a poor tea seller, which he is not. He is a criminal.

I don't care about Gandhis either they are just as bad, they did Sikh Genocide and Modi did muslim genocide.

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Oblong_spheroids t1_j5fna76 wrote

If you read my whole comment and still want to term a religious riot (one of many thousands in India) a muslim specific genocide I don't think you possess the nuance to reach an agreement with me.

I think Modi should be out and the BJP should be whittled down to only infrastructure interested politicians, because that's the basis on which I vote. However even I know enough about 2002 to know calling it only a Muslim genocide is problematic and dishonest. Have a good day

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dumbredditer t1_j5j0zxp wrote

I'm not trying to reach an agreement with you. You are a Modi fanboy, I don't try to reach agreement with blind fanboys

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shuntmp_7kest t1_j5gk0iv wrote

> genocide

throwing words like farts

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dumbredditer t1_j5j0w0c wrote

Hindu extremists sponsored by Indian govt have carried out Sikh and Muslim genocide.
You will realize what it means when your whole family is killed by extremists.

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shuntmp_7kest t1_j5zfvfq wrote

Firstly, learn to use the word right. Stop reading the 7th century book and know the murder/genocide is not same

Sikhs were murdered by Congress

Muslims got killed as Hindus did by state/central forces. First, Muslims burnt the train coaches with people alive on it. forgot about it?

Hindus hit back hard and Muslims also participate in the game they love. States gets in and start stopping the riots and shoots people down to quell it

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dumbredditer t1_j63ptjd wrote

Sikhs were murdered by Hindu mobs through the genocide sponsored by Indian govt at the time. It happened to be Congress govt at the time. It has always been Indian govt agenda to suppress Sikhs. Regardless of which political party is in power.

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shuntmp_7kest t1_j63w012 wrote

> by Hindu mobs

By that logic, all Muslims are terrorists. To an extent, that is true. You wont be able to say that for Hindus.

> happened to be Congress govt

NO. Congress is full of thugs voted to power by thugs. BJP too is becoming one.

> Indian govt agenda

> suppress Sikhs

Tell me about "suppressions" after 1984

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dumbredditer t1_j63wyuy wrote

I did not say all Hindus are terrorists. You cannot deny the fact that it was Hindu mobs who directly targeted Sikh homes with voter lists provided by Indian govt. In addition, why are you bringing Muslims into this? 1984 Sikh Genocide has nothing to do with Muslims.

So you are saying Indians are thugs? Majority of India are Hindus.

From 1984 until late 1990s Indian police killed thousands of Sikhs. Anyone who wore a turban was picked up and killed in fake encounters. I've seen it with my own eyes.
Here is the database ensaaf.org

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shuntmp_7kest t1_j63xka1 wrote

> hindu mobs

> voter ... by Congress govt

> majority are Hindus

Read all of what you wrote together.

And Khalistanis are saints... got it.

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dumbredditer t1_j63za2b wrote

I don't need to read what I wrote. It is for you to read and understand, if you don't understand it then let me know and I can explain further.

Do you know what Khalistan is? Let me hear your definition.

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shuntmp_7kest t1_j63zrpg wrote

You dont understand what you write and asking me to ?

> Khalistan is

Secessionist movement.

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dumbredditer t1_j640hxn wrote

Wow your comprehension abilities are totally trash.

"Secessionist movement" - you really are very ignorant. Go read up what Anandpur resolution is.

You are really really ill-informed

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shuntmp_7kest t1_j647g64 wrote

I dont give a fuck about your opinion. Shove it in your gaand.

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dumbredditer t1_j648s6m wrote

Haha, angry Hindu mob mentality and true colors finally come out. This is typical when you guys lose an argument.

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shuntmp_7kest t1_j64lbfb wrote

I am not arguing at all with a person who is a Khalistani

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dumbredditer t1_j64myd7 wrote

You are making assumptions.
There's no argument, you already lost.

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shuntmp_7kest t1_j64n5ac wrote

> assumptions

> angry Hindu mob mentality and true colors finally come out

see ?

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dumbredditer t1_j65c3nz wrote

Yeah I see that you lost an argument and now crying over it. This is what happens when you try to defend the wrong side. You lose. Truth always prevails!

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masala_mayhem t1_j562orq wrote

This whole about useless opposition is a myth. He and the BJP have systematically destroyed independent media and that has ensured that we will not even know if the opposition is up to any good…

No opposition wants to stand up because if you do you will have a million cases filed against you and of course incur the wrath of the IT cell

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Oblong_spheroids t1_j563r28 wrote

> This whole about useless opposition is a myth. He and the BJP have systematically destroyed independent media and that has ensured that we will not even know if the opposition is up to any good…

I literally cited 2 clips of one of the most prolific anti-Modi journalists

Not to mention NDTV, the wire, etc are all alive and well. I would've believed your media censorship argument in 2014 but it has been 8+ years and Modi loses state elections regularly

> No opposition wants to stand up because if you do you will have a million cases filed against you and of course incur the wrath of the IT cell

This is straight up just a lie. Especially because every party has an IT cell

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SpicySummerChild t1_j56ihno wrote

NDTV literally got bought by Adani, who happens to be Modi's cheerleader

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Oblong_spheroids t1_j56slgg wrote

What is your point? They haven't suddenly become pro-Modi since Adani bought them.

More importantly if you think Adani cares about Modi beyond his business-friendliness you are delusional. He will use Modi and go find some other candidate when Modi's days are over, it has nothing to do with right or left wing politics, just money.

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dumbredditer t1_j5j0r1b wrote

Dude, you are a Modi fanboy, just keep sucking his dick. It is because of people like you that India is a shit hole of a country.

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kepler456 t1_j56fq3q wrote

>This is straight up just a lie. Especially because every party has an IT cell

You are just playing semantics at this point. You very well know that this person meant CBI raids and not IT cells. Don't worry though, I have listed it out in my reply so that others who do not know about it can educate themselves. 95% of the CBI (central bureau of investigation) has been on the minority opposition during the last years a huge jump from a new even 60% during the previous Congress government time when there was a larger opposition than today.

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Oblong_spheroids t1_j56t6fv wrote

> You are just playing semantics at this point. You very well know that this person meant CBI raids and not IT cells.

Maybe putting words in someone's mouth is acceptable in your household but it makes no sense in mine.

If someone says IT cells, I will talk about IT cells. If someone says CBI raids I will talk about CBI raids.

If someone talks about China would you be so dense as to say "you very well know..." and then start talking about Taiwan?

It is only semantics to you because you want to shift goalposts to CBI raids instead of starting a whole new conversation around it which I'd be happy to address.

> Don't worry though, I have listed it out in my reply so that others who do not know about it can educate themselves. 95% of the CBI (central bureau of investigation) has been on the minority opposition during the last years a huge jump from a new even 60% during the previous Congress government time when there was a larger opposition than today.

I will address this later

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FuzzySpaceGoat t1_j5i3fb6 wrote

Let’s not leave out the part where BJP rigged the EVMs, yeah?

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oraculator t1_j5m3k0f wrote

Dude, I really want to know the shite you have been smoking. You are exactly an AndhBhakt that you have been denying so vehemently in your post. Modi is the most incompetent, illiterate, egoistic PM that India had ever seen. He has single-handedly driven Indian economy into the ground with his stupid demonitization and gst laws. The inflation in India is All time high. They have redefined the gdp definition justto meet their numbers, but still the gdp is in the low numbers. The Rupee is at all time high against the Dollar. Worst governance during covid with 100s of thousands of deaths during wave -2. All the leading Government companies started performing in the loss in his tenure, be it Indian Railways or Air India or LIC or IPCL., and were sold to his corporate masters for pennies on a dollar. Don't even start me on how he is using IT, CBI, Police, MEDIA, Courts as his Gestapo squad to crush anyone that stands against him. The judiciary, legislation, executive and media are all in his pocket now. I am not even talking about how he polarized the country by terrorizing the minorities of the country. So, I will take any other shite as a PM of India than this moron at any time of the day.

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anutosu t1_j5azstb wrote

Yes. Congress had almost taken the country to the moon before Modi came in and destroyed their secret plans. Pushes us back decades.

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ContractingUniverse t1_j54c5og wrote

Now let's see the BBC do Israel's Likud Party.

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answersplease77 t1_j54t3yh wrote

Israel soon wont even pretend to call itself a democracy no more. Expect how India is run by ultra far-right nationals to be a preview of Israel's new government

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tipper_g0re t1_j54ohl1 wrote

He's a real piece of shit

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answersplease77 t1_j54srn4 wrote

How do they seriously still call India a democracy? Their courts and police are run by a group of corrupt far-right ultra hindu nationals who are in charge of the country? They issued citizen law which plainly discriminated against Indian muslims, they repeatedly called for genocide against them as well as destroyed their houses and took their lands. Numerous reports of rapes and crimes against Indian muslims have not seen justice. What happened to that journalist who stomped on the body of a muslim man who was protesting police from taking his land?

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kepler456 t1_j56c5a4 wrote

Sad to say but it is still a democracy, the majority continue to vote for this. This is the bigger shame isn't it. If it was an autocracy you could at least say there are a few evil people ruling the country, but what can you say now?

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answersplease77 t1_j5acgh9 wrote

but the police and courts are controlled by corrupt officials from the top of government. In democracy they let them speak and criticize government and find corrupt officials accountable. Here you only have Modi ass kisser goverment officials, 30+ refused to be interveiwed for saftey, people afraid and speak anonmously with changed voice, and journalists and police who spoke about the corruption were jailed for life and killed like this documentary showed. This is like any other repressive regieme. Absolute freaking shame what India has become

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kepler456 t1_j5e8gvp wrote

Yes, you are not wrong at all. But in a democracy the members of state are the ones elected. A good and functioning democracy has all the features you speak of. India is not a good democracy, but for now it still is a democracy since the members representing the population on the governmental front are elected by the people.

The judiciary was never elected by the people nor is the media. Them being elected is what you would expect in a functioning democracy, but unfortunately that is not what defines the word.

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Eric1491625 t1_j55q9vk wrote

>How do they seriously still call India a democracy?

>discriminated against Indian muslims

Because that's what democracy is. In its purest form, tyranny of the majority.

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netenyahoo t1_j5awzbz wrote

India is very much a democracy. Majority of Modi supporters voted him because of these things. Infact many previous supporters of Modi hate Modi now because he is not doing enough and trying to be soft.

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Guna1260 t1_j54bf3w wrote

You can’t ask questions or tell truth in india(like most places in the world). Difference is scale of organised trolls and bullies.

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DrGanja97 t1_j5mifmr wrote

I was once a member or RSS and VHP, I was brainwashed for over a decade into thinking hindus are superior and everyone is trying to oppress us but fuck that. FUCK BJP FUCK RSS AND FUCK NARENDRA MODI. Hindutva ideology is literally modern day Nazism.

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World_Analyst t1_j54f0i3 wrote

Any idea how to watch this outside the UK?

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CryMore36 OP t1_j54fwke wrote

Does this work?

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World_Analyst t1_j54ocq0 wrote

Cheers mate! I've been trying to find this for a few days.

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chrisp1j t1_j5tlo7c wrote

It has been removed. What’s the deal with these tech companies bending to political will.

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ddaadd18 t1_j556412 wrote

Hang on, the BBC puts all its prerecorded content on the archive, regardless of geographical licensing restrictions ? No vpn?

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garlicluv t1_j54thum wrote

What was the new information in this?

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kepler456 t1_j56cwsb wrote

Nothing new really. Well known facts that have been forgotten by some and ignored by most.

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[deleted] t1_j5e5hop wrote

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kepler456 t1_j5e8vtm wrote

I would have to disagree, he is quite proud about it because it is one of the main reasons he gets elected, just that he cannot directly say it.

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KaminariKaizoku t1_j5687mg wrote

Maybe BBC should make a documentry on the massive human rights abuses under british rule across the planet. Feels good to see britain failing economically though 🥳. Pigs deserve it.

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zalinuxguy t1_j56c47h wrote

All that time you spent sucking Modi's cock has made you very limber, because that was a very impressive dodge of the actual point.

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KaminariKaizoku t1_j56eqdj wrote

Does everyone of you libturds have one comeback? SuKk MoDI's CocK!! Childish. Lol. Modi was given a clean chit by the top court that too when the opposition was in power. Innocent till proven guilty. HE WAS NOT FOUND GUILTY but pigs dont understand how the judicial system works so can't blame them. Roll around in shit little piggy.

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zalinuxguy t1_j56gdhy wrote

Libturds? I take offence at that. I'm a proud bloody Communist.

And being told by a BJP fanboy that I don't know how the judicial system works is kind of like having a cockroach try to lecture me about hygiene.

I'd suggest you go have a wank over a picture of Modi shirtless, but I hear you're trying to give that up.

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shuntmp_7kest t1_j5gkjiy wrote

> proud

of ducking what?

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zalinuxguy t1_j5gq3t8 wrote

Shit, how long you got? I'm smart, successful in my chosen career, have travelled the world, look back on quite a bit of activism, my kids are great, my wife loves and supports me, my friends are loyal, I have an attractive and well-dimensioned cock and a good personality...man, thanks for asking that question, because when I take inventory like that, it reminds me my life is pretty damn awesome. Fuck, man, I love being me.

Oh, almost forgot! You know what I'm really proud of? That I'm too smart to be taken in by a nationalist demagogue like Modi. I leave that to ignorant peasants and professional shit-eaters. I'd hate to be one of those types of people.

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shuntmp_7kest t1_j5zez8y wrote

> I'm too smart.. I'm too smart

lmfao. You are the self certified prophet.

Is communism present in your trash can? Every moron growing up wants to be a "bloody Communist" and then goes to work in real life and wants to be a "capitalist".

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zalinuxguy t1_j6p5goc wrote

This bloody Communist pulls a six-figure Euro salary in software development. How's your life going?

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KaminariKaizoku t1_j56nv6n wrote

Wow. This reply wasn't even much of an argument. If you just wanna trash talk find someone else. Facts are facts. Opposition was in power had full access to all investigation agencies(CBI etc.) and in that period top court of the land found that Modi was not guilty. Must be disheartening that facts win over petty trash talk. Poor commie is having problem understanding logic.

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zalinuxguy t1_j56qst7 wrote

You misunderstand, BJP boy. I am not here to have an argument with you; I'm here to mock your ass. You nationalist-strongman fanboys are not amenable to discussion, because your beliefs are more like those of a cult than those of a voter. So the ideal response is mockery.

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NDN_BOI t1_j5a7b4s wrote

Fuck Modi RSS HITLER Lover boy and fuck anyone who supports his bitch ass.

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KaminariKaizoku t1_j5adsh1 wrote

The entire country is gonna bring him to power in 2024, little pigs like you can only do propaganda against him it seems. Keep trying you lil bitch :)

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chin-ki-chaddi t1_j58rzmi wrote

My life and that of all other Indians has improved immeasurably under Modi government. We live here, so we know the insane infrastructure growth, the lessening corruption, the growth in our stature at the world stage.

We are happy with him, thus we will vote for him. BBC apni ma chudaye :)

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DrGanja97 t1_j5mirt7 wrote

Only privileged upper middle class and billionaires are satisfied everyone else is suffering but you're too fucking dumb to see that

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kaartman1 t1_j54wdzf wrote

I wonder how is getting elected again and again. Either he is a really good politician or the opposition leadership totally sucks.

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annucox t1_j551z3w wrote

Mostly the second,he kinda fell off

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AdComprehensive6588 t1_j55ezln wrote

A bit of both. His opposition is extremely incompetent but Modi has tried to maintain India’s diplomatic relations with other countries

Him and S. Jaishankar are walking a tightrope by allying with both the U.S and Russia

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kepler456 t1_j56cjf7 wrote

International relations have nothing to do with local elections though. Most Indians are oblivious to what is happening outside their town and when they do they do not care because they have their own issues to deal with.

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kepler456 t1_j56d60r wrote

What makes you think I do not know this, but the average Indian voter does not care about this. If you do not know this, you do not know the major electorate of India.

EDIT: If people had common sense and the wisdom to think they would also know that the religion someone follows is irrelevant if you want to see progress in your locality and nation.

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AdComprehensive6588 t1_j56dfgz wrote

Just because they don’t care doesn’t mean they shouldn’t. Not caring about issues that directly or indirectly effect you is ignorant.

Religion heavily affects a nation, and severely.

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AdComprehensive6588 t1_j56dbhj wrote

They do though, foreign relations are extremely important to a countries prosperity and how that president/prime minister is viewed, no different then any other action a politician does.

All people have their own issues to deal with, but in a globalized world, what happens outside effects what goes on inside too

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kepler456 t1_j56e5sj wrote

Yes, but you are moving away from the topic at hand. The question was: Why is he voted for again and again and you said foreign policy.

Here is someone elses write up on the same topic: https://www.boell.de/en/2014/04/12/does-foreign-policy-matter-elections

It definitely matters, but only the elite think or discuss it. The majority are worried about putting food on the table and do not think critically. If we talk about what is important and what people should be thinking about we are in total agreement, but your response to the question asked is totally wrong in that aspect.

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AdComprehensive6588 t1_j56ef0m wrote

Not quite, the OP asked if he’s a good politician, I merely answered good things he’s done.

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kepler456 t1_j56gas4 wrote

OP asked: why is he getting elected, either ... or he is a good politician. You then go on to say: Modi has tried to maintain India’s diplomatic relations with other countries. You mention nothing else at all. You therefore use foreign policy as one of the biggest if not only reason he gets elected again. I go on to inform you that the electorate does not care about foreign policy in India.

As I said earlier, you are not wrong, but that is not the reason he is elected. I do not want to have a discussion or argument about it, I was just informing you in case you were not an Indian.

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dumbredditer t1_j5hdrpp wrote

Yeah but BJP keeps the population uneducated and poor. When you are worried if you'll have food at the end of the day or not, you don't really care much about international relationships

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dumbredditer t1_j5hdjbi wrote

Propaganda, and they also say EVM, Electronic voting machines.

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fallguyspero t1_j54i6ad wrote

Proper propaganda, bringing people from opposition who lost their case in the supreme court of the world’s biggest democratic country. Probably will force India to close itself like the China, west will never learn.

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CryMore36 OP t1_j54jfvr wrote

How is this Propaganda? Which bit do you disagree with?

The Gujrat Riots were a fact. Modi and the Hindutva groups were involved in the massacre of minorities. I don't think even BJP have denied this.

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fallguyspero t1_j590qha wrote

The facts is the supreme court has acquitted him, not the silly jargons you throw in here and there to fool these western people. Your entire reddit history is hinduphobic, disgusting racists like you who plays victim in international subs and enjoy religious conversion and killings of Hindus. Don’t worry about the downvotes you will be called out everywhere!

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dumbredditer t1_j5fiqjq wrote

Lol supreme Court is a joke in India just how India being a democracy is a fucking joke. India is a fucking joke of a country

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fallguyspero t1_j5j0rbr wrote

Another Khalistani living in UK with anti Indian hate, only to get butchered in riots with his hinduphobic friends 😂

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DarshJalan t1_j5f87bx wrote

Yup. Happy that this idiots are so keen on showing their true self. Modi will win another term due to them and they will wonder why

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huskarpicker t1_j54gdo9 wrote

BBC is well known for being biased and racist towards India. I wouldnt watch any bbc doc related to India.

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Maptain-Carvel t1_j54ow9b wrote

This doc is not against India. It is exposes few facts about Gujarat riots and Modi's involvement in it etc.

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Maptain-Carvel t1_j55vqs5 wrote

It's not about BBC, whatever BBC has shown is already publicly known. There is a reason why modi doesn't give press interviews after he got flabbergasted by questions on Gujarat riots by Karan Thapar.

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kepler456 t1_j56cuj3 wrote

Yes, in the US too the democrats are in power, they cannot prove that Trump directly caused the Jan 6th riots. Much logic, I see. Much logic.

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MightyH20 t1_j5e5u2p wrote

>BBC is well known for being biased

Yeah it's not. But keep viewing that authoritarian Russia Today and NDTV news.

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Chola_Bhatora t1_j53yve2 wrote

There are no anti Sikh sentiments in India. Wtf are you even on about? You guys are obsessed with India. Lol

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CryMore36 OP t1_j5439oz wrote

Thoughts on the recent Farmer Protests and Anti-Sikh rhetoric?

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konichiwa-minna_san t1_j54g3ff wrote

>recent Farmer Protests

Weren't the farm laws against which those protests were affecting all farmers of India? Were those laws applicable only to Sikhs? Weren't farmers from Haryana and Western Uttar Pradesh protesting as well? Are farmer leaders like Rakesh Tikait Sikh too?

>and Anti-Sikh rhetoric

Did you read that article? It says:

"The wounds inflicted by the Congress have been opened by the Bharat Jodo Yatra. Whatever happened in 1984 was not just anti-Sikh riots but massacre of innocent people," Punjab BJP Chief Ashwani Sharma said.

The article says BJP is calling out Congress on its anti-Sikh rhetoric. In case you didn't know, Congress is the main opposition party that is against Modi/BJP.

You just googled "anti-Sikh" and posted the first link you came up with, didn't you?

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dumbredditer t1_j5ljdby wrote

Sikh prisoners who have completed their sentences have been kept in jail for decades after their sentence periods ended. Indian govt is quiet on it. Why? Because India hates Sikhs and Muslims. Even though Hindus only exist today because of Sikhs

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konichiwa-minna_san t1_j5o765a wrote

>Sikh prisoners who have completed their sentences have been kept in jail for decades after their sentence periods ended.

A source would be nice.

>Even though Hindus only exist today because of Sikhs

LMAO. A community that lost most of it's land to Muslims and had to run away to the Indian side of Punjab is the reason why Hindus exist? You sure are smoking some strong stuff. Either way, didn't Bhindranwale go on a killing spree of Hindus in Punjab before he was put down?

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dumbredditer t1_j63rh4o wrote

Source: https://m.tribuneindia.com/news/amritsar/release-of-sikh-prisoners-sought-430377

Indian govt keeps releasing rapists and murderers way before they finish their sentences but when it comes to Sikh political prisoners they don't even release them decades after they serve their sentences.

Hinduism only exists because Guru Gobind Singh Ji fought against Hindu conversion to Islam. Hinduism wouldn't exist today if He didn't sacrifice his life and family to protect Hindus.
In addition, India also only got its freedom from British because of the fight put up by Panjabi Sikhs. Go to Andaman Nicobar jail and you can see 95% of the names are Sikh names.

So before you talk more crap about Sikhs just know that India owes everything to them.

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konichiwa-minna_san t1_j675vm9 wrote

LMAO. Did you even read that article you linked you dodo?

>The Tamil Nadu and Gujarat Governments released prisoners facing similar cases. We demanded from the Narendra Modi government to release the Sikh prisoners on the same ground

What is this mofo even talking about? It's two separate state governments releasing prisoners from the state prisons. And he wants the PM to release prisoners from Punjab state prison? How would that even work? Do you know that Punjab is a state in India and Modi is not the chief minister of that state and Modi releasing prisoners from a state prison would mean interfering into the autonomy of the states?

Quick question. Do you even know that the chief minister of Punjab is a Sikh from a party that is opposite of Modi? Shouldn't he release the prisoners à la Gujarat and Tamil Nadu?

Reading the article further, it gets even better. Here:

>He urged the Sikhs to beware of the Badal-led Shiromani Akali Dal on their misleading campaign on Sikh prisoners.

>“The Badals labeled Sikhs as terrorists and lodged them in jails during their regime.

ROFL. These Sikhs were put in prison by a very Sikh party. And you are blaming it on India and Modi? What a clown 🤡? What is it with you guys not even reading the articles you link? The other Pakistani guy too did the same thing earlier. Wait a minute? You are the same guy with an alt, aren't you? This level of incompetence is frightening.

>Guru Gobind Singh Ji fought against Hindu conversion to Islam

Ha ha ha 😂. Seriously now. Sikhs never had a reach anywhere beyond Punjab. The only places Sikhs ruled were Pakistani Punjab and Indian Punjab. And look at their Hindu population % now. Hindus exist today because of Marathas, Ahoms, Vijayanagara and many , many Hindu rulers who fought back. A guy who couldn't protect his own sons from being bricked alive, saved Hinduism? Any more jokes like this?

>Go to Andaman Nicobar jail and you can see 95% of the names are Sikh names.

Again. Give me a source. Because every time you try to back up your argument with evidence it simply falls apart since you are too dumb to even read the stuff you link. I am waiting to insult you further for being a complete moron. Entertain me with a source 🤪

I certainly owe you something for making me laugh you clown.

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CryMore36 OP t1_j54jhv8 wrote

Well we can go down the whole Khalistan rabbithole, but I'm not going to waste my time with shills.

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konichiwa-minna_san t1_j54oadu wrote

So, you've got no response to how I've shown you posted a wrong link and you were ignorant about the farmer's protests? What else can we expect from the citizen of a country that harbored bin Laden?

Dude...The Khalistan movement is from the '80s and it started during the Congress govt. How is the BJP related to that? You won't go down that rabbithole because it will simply expose the fact that it was your country that tried and spectacularly failed at propping up that movement.

And I am a shill now? Rich coming from the citizen of a country that is run by the ISI. Don't you have some begging to do? At the end of the day, Modi is treated like a star at any intl. forum, while your current PM actually said that "his investors are his masters". Not to mention that your former PM called Osama a martyr. Even the Talibans are trolling your sorry ass. You guys are a laughing stock. Stop trying too hard.

Cry more like your username says. Still ain't gonna change the fact that you are going bankrupt in a few weeks. Perhaps you can cry harder after you run out of wheat next week.

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CryMore36 OP t1_j54pbvc wrote

I haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about?

Are you referring to Pakistan? If so, I couldn't care less about Pakistan or India. They're both led by selfish, narcisttic and corrupt people. This article is about the treatment of people. Not a country.

As for Modi being treated as an "International Star". I hate to break it to you mate, but we live in a very capitalist age in the West. They're only interested on tapping into the Indian Market. The same way they pander to the Chinese, Gulf and Russian Markets. You think Putin, Xi and MBS are "International Stars" for any other reason that money and diplomacy?

You could have a literal monkey in power and the Western Capitalist Markets will roll out the red carpet.

Naive, aren't you.

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konichiwa-minna_san t1_j54s0km wrote

Of course I am talking about Pakistan. And of course you have the fullest idea what I am talking about. Not only that, you care deeply about Pakistan. After all every second post from your account is about Pakistan.

The point is that, you were completely wrong about the anti-Sikh rhetoric. You dug a deeper hole when you mentioned Khalistan without even knowing it's a movement from the '80s and BJP has little do with it. Your concern is neither Modi nor BJP. You simply hate India, which I totally understand given how your country's entire existence is based on that. But when you try to criticise India/BJP at least do some research instead of making inane statements about "anti-Sikh" rhetoric. You do not even have enough prudence to at least read the article that you posted. Why do you think you'd have enough knowledge to talk about anything?

As for the very capitalistic age, I hate to break it to you, but we are relevant while you are not. That's what matters. I don't care if we have a monkey in power or if Modi is literal satan himself. We will keep marching forward and that is why I mentioned in my earlier comment that Modi is an intl. star inspite of what he did in 2002. Don't you understand what I am trying to say here? I dgaf if Modi was behind 2002 riots. For me those riots actually showed that jihadist elements cannot burn Hindus in a train and not expect retaliation. At the end of the day, it's been done and dusted and we keep marching forward while you keep imploding because you pander to those same Islamist fundamentalists that caused the Godhra train burning.

Naive if you thought I care about Modi. I care about India. And I care about getting the facts right. And that is why I haven't commented elsewhere on this thread. I only chose to comment when you ignorantly mentioned "anti-Sikh rhetoric"

Anyway keep crying more.

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CryMore36 OP t1_j54u6ej wrote

Look mate. You're obviously really upset about this.

I think you should start caring more about the average person in the population rather than the political powerplay from narcistic Politicians.

You're more than welcome to be a card carrying Modi fanboy on the other hand. All the best 👍

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kepler456 t1_j56cafe wrote

There is a lot of mention of khalistan again, what rock are you living under.

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NDN_BOI t1_j56ej86 wrote

Wtf are talking about ? Sikhs have been historically been persecuted and hated on. Which is sad if it wasn’t for the Sikh and their warrior class India would been raped by afghans and Muslims tyrants a lot more. What did we get in return. Go look at a map of the Sikh empire and compare it to what Punjab looks like now.

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dumbredditer t1_j5j1nky wrote

Indian state refusing to act on the agreement of sovereign Sikh state. Continuous attempts to merge Sikhi into Hinduism.
Continued attempts to keep breaking Punjab further into smaller States. Himachal, Haryana were all part of Panjab. Continuing to steal Panjab's waters.

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dumbredditer t1_j5lj2mi wrote

Sikhs who have completed their sentences have been kept in prisons for decades after their sentences ended. Fuck off with your bullshit

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