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bigapewhat089 t1_jdxj3zh wrote

I would blame the parents. I don't rely on the government to tell me right from wrong.

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The_Most_Superb t1_jdydskl wrote

The parents are part the government in that analogy! Your original comment blames the kids for not turning down the cigarettes. My point is that it is a failure of the system for allowing it to happen in the first place. Also just to be clear, the cigarettes are pollution and the kids are individual citizens. We need to regulate the companies causing the pollution. Blaming the individual consumer is exactly what polluters want you to do to distract you from their enormous contribution to destroying the planet.

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bigapewhat089 t1_jdz6nn3 wrote

So you want the government to tell people what they can and cannot buy. Great idea, go to North Korea. Also it's not like we were aware of this from the start, and once the ball starts rolling you can't just stop it. There is way too much going on here than. "Let's stop using oil" it's not that simple we don't want a total economic collapse, we will cease to exist that way too. Why do you think Biden opened up more oil fields after promising to close them in the states.

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The_Most_Superb t1_je01pko wrote

So you’ve never heard of the EPA or FDA? They’re the only reason companies in the US are held to any sort of standard. Companies don’t care about harming the public, they only care if they keep buying their product. I never said it was just about not using fossil fuels. Let’s look at recycling for instance, a great way to individually contribute, except the majority of what you put in recycling never gets recycled. It either goes to a landfill here or gets shipped to another country and dumped in the ocean. The total economic collapse argument is propaganda from polluters who lobby against any change to regulations that might hurt their profits, they just want to keep making money and not change. Companies lobby government officials to not add new regulations and sometimes remove existing regulations. Follow the money. It’s the same reason Joe Manchin neutered the Green New Deal, because he own one of the largest coal power plants in the country. There is government corruption, but regulations are the only way to make lasting change to the way we care for our environment. There’s a huge difference in saying a company can’t dump chemical byproducts of car paint manufacturers straight into our water supply, and fascism/total economic collapse. Libertarians are just people who don’t understand how systems work. No point in arguing with you anymore. Peace out.

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bigapewhat089 t1_je02tup wrote

A better way for me to phrase it is. I understand what you are saying and I kinda agree, but I don't think the government will solve it but rather they will fuck it up more. Example California and their plastic straw law. Its a cash grab. New York and the right to repair law, doctored right before release to help big corp.

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