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crunchycrispy t1_jbuocwd wrote

Reply to comment by [deleted] in With a universal income, will we stop working? by berlinparisexpress

all valid points but i really hope it wouldn’t just be $250. that would fail to make the kind of difference it ought to. it should be minimum $1k a month but ideally more like $2k.

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Takahashi_Raya t1_jctc5do wrote

a universal basic income would be around what is needed to live of. so if 250 a month is the cost you'd have then and there in a system with ubi. to survive a full month without having to live like an underpaid poor person.

so if 250 covers: food, housing, gas, electricity, internet(it's pretty much needed to do anything like a job so yeah it counts), and schooling then 250 is plenty.

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crunchycrispy t1_jcvqc58 wrote

yeah that is nowhere near enough to live off of in the US. where do you possibly live?

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Takahashi_Raya t1_jcvrfcq wrote

I think you are missing the point. I said if 250 is enough then it is enough I'm not aiming at a specific country with this. the 250 you should see is the bare minimum for whatever place a UBI is installed for. you can't really hang a price on it since it's dictated by the current prices of services.

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crunchycrispy t1_jcwr8dx wrote

not sure how what you’re saying is relevant. my point was about the cost of living, and your point is the equivalent of saying “well if rent is $1 then that’s what it should be”

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Takahashi_Raya t1_jcx65fc wrote

No im saying ubi adjusts to wathever the bare cost of living is and somehow you dint see that.

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crunchycrispy t1_jcx6z6a wrote

i said $250 doesn’t cover that and your grand point is “but if $250 did cover that then it would be good”. by that logic yeah a UBI of $0.50 would be enough if $0.50 was worth $1500. not exactly contributing much

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Takahashi_Raya t1_jcxkpde wrote

No you dont understand it apparently let me make it clear to you "a UBI system only works when the income you get covers your basic living costs" this means if 250 or 250.000 covers the basic living expenses that is the amount you get. You cant hang a price point on ubi right now because it adjusts based on the cost of everything.

Your argument of "that doesnt cover it" is honestly just dumb.

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crunchycrispy t1_jcyq6wa wrote

you just said the exact same thing i said.

i understand your argument “if 250 covers basic living expenses that should be the amount”. my original point was that there is no world where 250 covers basic living expenses. do you understand? it’s really simple. i’m saying the same thing you are, i’m just using real world numbers and you keep acting like we live in 1942.

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Takahashi_Raya t1_jcyqftq wrote

your real-world numbers are not realistic either. I was using 250 as an example I could have used anything else.

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crunchycrispy t1_jd0eemx wrote

they are absolutely realistic where i live. where do you live?

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Takahashi_Raya t1_jd0gp61 wrote

The Netherlands but that's not the point. it feels like I'm talking to a wall who doesn't understand the basic concept of UBI since all you are focusing on is the amount you'd need specifically for your place of residence which isn't the point of UBI. we are just going in circle's and frankly, I'm not in the mood for this stupidity going further. I'm ending this convo here.

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crunchycrispy t1_jd13zu0 wrote

i am truly baffled as to why you felt the need to make this point that i was already making in the first place. i was simply saying that $250 was not enough to achieve UBI’s goals where I live, and here you are tying yourself in knots with anger saying “well the UBI should be whatever amount achieves it’s goals”. I can’t tell if this is a language barrier or not but you’re truly not making any point that contradicts what I’m saying.

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