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wx_wxt t1_isebb7f wrote

If this ever becomes possible you can bet your ass your work hours will increase lol.

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HighMont t1_isedmn2 wrote

And your pay will too..at first.. and everyone will be really excited to take on those extra hours!

Then inflation will rise...and wages will stagnate.

In a decade we would be working 18 hour days to achieve the same quality of life we have at 8 hour days.

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Rauleigh t1_isevtky wrote

And we arguably don't need to be working 8 hour days to do the work that is asked of us.

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PMmeyourclit2 t1_isfm92q wrote

Most people don’t. While I at work for about 8-10 hours during the week day. There’s definitely probably 3 hours a day I spend just sitting around, whether that’s waiting for code to pull shit for me, talking to coworkers about random shit, or sitting in useless meetings…. My day could be much shorter if we just had a server.

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LevelWriting t1_isgwlbn wrote

There were days its took me 2 hours max. Rest I would spend outside lol

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kreamygoo t1_isewf08 wrote

I feel you're overthinking. Even if this becomes possible there would definitely be health consequences by replacing 8 hours of sleep with 4 hours or less. What such technology holds promise is in helping people who have trouble sleeping get good sleep.

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itszwee t1_ised8qw wrote

Absolutely the fuck not. The only way I could see modifying the brain’s ability to sleep being beneficial would be to treat insomnia by essentially forcing the brain to sleep for a healthy amount of time. But of COURSE the first point is some trite productivity bullshit. That’s how we push ourselves into a cyberpunk dystopia where working 20 hours a day is normalized and expected. I imagine that condensing sleep into something like two hours would probably cause long term brain damage, too.

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imnotsoho t1_isgs3ng wrote

I didn't read the article but I spent an hour in a sensory deprivation tank about 20 years ago. Felt like I slept 16 hours.

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scarywolverine t1_isg8dyh wrote

Honestly, Ill take it. Im someone that really needs 9 hours of sleep to feel normal. Its horrible. Truly horrible to live like that. Im always tired and I either have to basically make sleep the number 1 priority in my life or always be off. This sounds like a godsend

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Fadamaka t1_isiioxk wrote

I am almost the same. What suprisingly helped is sleeping less. Like 7 hours instead of 9. If I sleep more than 7 I somehow start feeling more tired and can't get myself out of bed only after the 9-10 hour mark.

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SnowyNW t1_isedl7x wrote

I wouldn’t mind doing 20 hours a day of research work for a good cause. What other purpose to life is there?

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Skrixm t1_isedtlk wrote

Yeah you wouldn't. But who would if you were paid a slave's wage and had slave-like living conditions?

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SnowyNW t1_isedw21 wrote

My life literally can’t get much worse lol. It’s only up from here

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DankMink12 t1_isesd8o wrote

Aye bro since your life is that bad you got any money you can give me? I really need it

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OKAGAKAMI t1_isefa6e wrote

If that’s what you want who am I to deny 🤷

But other people want to do other things, I don’t see an issue with this if people willingly chose to do it. But I feel like it would become the “norm” and become a necessity in the workplace. Sort of like working holidays or working overtime etc. no one wants to do it, but we have to.

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Rauleigh t1_isevxv8 wrote

Or using caffeine

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OKAGAKAMI t1_isgblro wrote

I will say that if you give up caffeine, you will realize how little you actually need it to remain awake in the morning. There are plenty of alternatives, your body and brain are just essentially addicted to the caffeine, making you feel like you can’t function without it. Giving up stuff with high caffeine was one of the best things I ever did, I still eat chocolate but outside of that no energy drinks or soda or anything.

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Rauleigh t1_isgst1o wrote

Word! Yeah I've gone back and forth on it a couple times. The thing that is of concern/interest I think is the culture that normalizes uppers like caffeine or even Adderall to either keep up with inflexible systems/schedules or to cram in extra activities. Its not necessary but easy to become dependent on substances to supplement our bodies to fit a fast paced environment that doesn't really cater to a lot of our needs.

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SnowyNW t1_isefbo4 wrote

Those words will always haunt me.

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Ark-kun t1_ishmkr8 wrote

Life can always be/become worse. Thete is no bottom.

Mathematically: Given x>0, you han make it 2 times smaller any number of times and it would still be >0. Life can be 2x worse than your current life.

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mli t1_isfdpiz wrote

what they need to study is how to improve sleep quality, i want to one day wake up refreshed.

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StationEastern3891 t1_isfrgsx wrote

There are many tips and tricks to improve sleep on a physiological/psychological levels already - give a few a try!

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mli t1_isidx99 wrote

when you have complex sleep apnea tricks don't really work.

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StationEastern3891 t1_isjt0bf wrote

LMAO okay…for sleep apnea, your options are either the mask, a neurostimulator from a company called inspire (pretty cool), or losing weight. You’re asking for research that’s already been done.

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eldenrim t1_issi4ud wrote

No they're not.

When I got my apnea diagnosis, the masks/PaP didn't work for me, sleep specialists said the implant wouldn't suit my case, and I was underweight.

I'm hoping a few surgeries combined with more typical therapies will work in the end, but if not then I'm an outlier. There's plenty of people in that position.

Regardless, they specifically said they have complex apnea. They need to treat the central apnea alongside the things you're talking about, some (like the mask) can actually make centrals more frequent. It can be a very difficult thing to treat.

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SilviusWolf t1_iseiklb wrote

Terrible scientists, I have a newborn baby and already sleep 3hrs a night. Nothing new here.

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chsch98 t1_iselk9i wrote

I just want technology that basically shuts off my brain for 8 hours, so I stop waking up 2-4 times per night and get full sleep.

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eldenrim t1_isshpeb wrote

You've probably already come across this information but just in case you haven't, that's a common symptom of sleep apnea or UARS. UARS is often difficult to spot outside of a sleep study, and both conditions can be treated. Might be worth looking at.

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chsch98 t1_issl557 wrote

Idk according to my watch and family members who sleep in the rooms next to mine I don't snore, and my blood oxygen is always above 94%.

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eldenrim t1_issoz8n wrote

You can have either of those, especially UARS, without snoring. I have both and my oxygen level is always above 94% as well. :)

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LovinLoveLeigh t1_isefsov wrote

This...sounds...like someone trying to sell me a bridge.

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Everyone is different...who's to say what is right for each individual person?

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This sounds like a fever dream... no me gusta...nada. no me gusta nada.

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I don't like this trend of trying to transform man into machines. You might not see that in this story, but I do.

I feel like the easiest way to improve the sleep of man is to reduce the stress loaded upon the shoulders of man...

....not this.

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I feel like if man were to embrace this...it would lead to the further enslavement of man.

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fuck this shit.

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The future of technology is a grand delight, but this ain't it.

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Rauleigh t1_isewlaj wrote

Yeah! My instinct seeing a lot of these r/futurology articles has been that technology is advancing to the point where we are no longer adapting our environment to us anymore we are creating an environment that we must adapt to. That environment is overwhelmingly economic/systematic in a way that is unsustainable and linear rather than circular. Humans are becoming the most adaptable element of an increasingly inflexible world, so we will continue to be squeezed tighter and tighter between the gears of progress.

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epSos-DE t1_ishlw8v wrote

Messing with sleep is more dangerous than genetic engeneering.

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There is a pattrn to the sleep. It needs to be itself to each person. It´s a non-standard pattern for each and everyone.

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BugSTellNoLies t1_isi8a4k wrote

There is a genotype in 4% of the IS gen. pop that functions very highly on 5 hrs of sleep. They will select (genetic engineer) for this phenotype.

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Defiant_Swann OP t1_ise8pok wrote

We could live 1.5 times longer if we could use technology to reduce our sleep requirements. Sleeping is a natural part of life, but we have the power to change that.

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Rogermcfarley t1_ise9u8o wrote

First Science needs to understand sleep far better than it does already. It seems absurd to try and vastly reduce sleep when it's not fully understood. So you're talking about something that is many decades away unless huge biochemical research breakthroughs are made.

https://www.spring.org.uk/2013/11/hidden-caves-in-the-brain-open-up-during-sleep-to-wash-away-toxins.php

We don't yet have the power to reduce sleep requirement to just 2 or 3 hours. We don't understand all the mechanisms behind sleep and all of its purpose.

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Lor1an t1_iseglmt wrote

I don't like this kind of argument because it completely dismisses incremental progress, which is pretty much how science works.

In the process of attempting to modify sleep requirements, scientists will most likely learn more about how sleep works. I think people often forget that the beginning of a research program is typically some goal, and then the testing and methodology is constructed around that goal.

Most people doing cancer research have the goal of treating or curing cancer, not just learning more about it. But they end up learning more about cancer along the way, because that's how you achieve the goal of curing or treating it.

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Rogermcfarley t1_isegqpu wrote

Read the article it doesn't give any data on how this could be realistically done. It's fine to suggest this but it doesn't show any detailed research on how reduction of sleep could be achieved.

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Lor1an t1_ishtxt6 wrote

My argument has nothing whatsoever to do with the contents of the article, just with the reasoning you provided.

>It seems absurd to try and vastly reduce sleep when it's not fully understood.

This is an example of faulty reasoning. People started constructing electric generators before completely understanding electromagnetism. Most scientists would actually gladly tell you that we still don't fully understand how almost anything works... that's kind of why they have job security.

If we waited to completely understand phenomena before constructing technology that uses it... we'd often not have the tech necessary to study said phenomena. We still don't have a good understanding of tribo-electricity, and yet that phenomenon is largely responsible for our knowledge that electric charges exist, and allowed for many of the first experimental static generators that kicked off our understanding of one of the fundamental forces of nature.

Contrary to the opinion put forth in your comment, technology and science are not cleanly separated from each other. In fact, technological advancement and innovation often precedes scientific explanation.

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Remetincaa1 t1_isec5gi wrote

We have the power. We don't yet have the power. But we have the power. Having the power is still great. The idea is more feasible than any other I've heard of when it comes to increasing our lifespan.

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Sleepdprived t1_isejhkg wrote

So... I get to live longer from not sleeping? Or are you just talking about the extra time at night alone you get?

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Sanjalis t1_iseexct wrote

Any benefit gained from such technology will be lost as employers increase work loads/hours. I mean, you don’t need as much sleep, right? So what’s the big deal?

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[deleted] t1_isedccg wrote

This would be helpful for a head in a jar but the rest of the body needs sleep for many reasons also.

Unless they're trying to dream up new and better disorders to sell medication for. In which case just tell me where to invest!

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KreagerStein t1_isegm48 wrote

Oh I remember this... from one of the many horror short stories I read.

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Undiluted36 t1_isfjmfn wrote

I can't wait to be able to record my dream's, I love dreaming

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Relative_Bed_770 t1_ish44hs wrote

Humans can already live off about 2 hours of sleep a day. Polyphonic sleep trains your body to immediately enter rem when you lay down for 15 minutes every 4 hours.

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A_Vespertine t1_isi6xup wrote

Can't say I'm too impressed with this article. Mostly just vague "what if we used magnets or vibrators or something?" with little to no science, and they seem to think that twelve plus two equals three. Their list for reasons to do so is fairly repetitive, and they only vaguely acknowledge the health risks without really mentioning the social problems with it, social problems which this comment section can never point out fast enough.

For my part, I'll just say that the required customizable sensory deprivation smart bed and neuromodulation for this to effectively condense 8 hours of sleep to 2 will most likely be out of reach for the working class, limiting its potential abuse to tech bro workaholics.

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