Submitted by redingerforcongress t3_ydo0xd in Futurology
Keeperofthe7keysAf-S t1_itwxmx9 wrote
Reply to comment by HerbHurtHoover in Move over, diesel: Ohio gets ‘first of its kind’ renewable gas station by redingerforcongress
> If you don't breed the cows they don't produce methane.
Right, but that methane still gets produced from the biomatter decay that otherwise still occurs, or if you want to go the route of crops we raise to feed the cattle, the CO2 is still in the atmosphere in the first place.
> The two choices aren't in the atmosphere or in the cows.
One of the choices isn't doesn't exist though. That carbon is going to still be in the atmosphere, be sequestered by plants, that goes into other food sources for humans, because people still gotta eat and you need to replace the cows with something, and that's still going to end up back in the atmosphere.
> The actual fuck is going on inside your brain.
Uh, Science, reality, What's going on in yours? blind hatred of cows?
HerbHurtHoover t1_itwzfhy wrote
No..... it doesn't.....
The methane comes specifically from the manure made by the cows.
It doesn't just magically exist otherwise.
Its truly mind boggling you are still going. You're argument is that no matter what the same amount of methane is always going to be produced.
If you use, ie, plant based substitutes, then all that extra methane from the cows is gone. It doesn't magically happen elsewhere, it is a source that doesn't exist anymore.
How are you this dumb. You aren't using science you are making absolutely herculean acts of moon logic.
Keeperofthe7keysAf-S t1_itx041b wrote
Do I need to draw you a diagram?
You're the one arguing that new carbon is somehow conjured into existence, and also somehow that not converting methane into the CO2 it will eventually become anyways is somehow better than letting it exist as an 80x more potent greenhouse gas for the 20 years it takes to decay.
>If you use, ie, plant based substitutes, then all that extra methane from the cows is gone.
No, it isn't, decay from the waste products still happens, you still produce methane and CO2 as waste from metabolizing. That carbon doesn't just cease to exist.
>How are you this dumb. You aren't using science you are making absolutely herculean acts of moon logic.
You, expect no logic can be found.
HerbHurtHoover t1_itx5ctw wrote
Oh.
My.
God.
If. You. Don't. Breed. The. Cows. That. Methane. Doesn't. Get. Produced.
Period.
There is no other matter that decays into methane.
Also "carbon conjured from nothing"???? What on earth are you talking about????
Like, seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you.
Keeperofthe7keysAf-S t1_itx8oha wrote
You couldn't be more wrong lol. You realize a lot of this methane capture we do is from landfills right? bacteria in tons of organisms and the decay there of, produce methane. It isn't unique to cows. How do you think all that natural gas was produced before there were cows exactly?
And I will once again point out that, concern about an increase in methane that exists at the same time, although it will also decay back into CO2 at the same rate, is an argument for not against burning it to convert it back to the CO2 it was and will reenter the atmosphere as even if we didn't do anything. However, this will skip the 20 years it would take to naturally decay to CO2 and H2O.
> Also "carbon conjured from nothing"???? What on earth are you talking about????
You keep insisting cows somehow add carbon but they don't. They, like all other animals, get their carbon from plant or other animal sources which, ultimately, get it from the atmosphere. No new carbon is introduced in this process yet you insist otherwise as if it just spawns into existence.
HerbHurtHoover t1_itx9f9t wrote
Uh..... ok? We are talking about the meat industry.... why are you talking about landfills....
You are insane, you know that?
I also never said cows add new carbon to the world. I said that the cycle is not carbon neutral. There is a net addition of greenhouse gasses to the atmosphere.
Please, go get checked out. Im not replying to anymore of your batshit responses.
Keeperofthe7keysAf-S t1_itxb1jm wrote
>Uh..... ok? We are talking about the meat industry.... why are you talking about landfills....
No, we're talking about capturing methane from waste to burn as fuel, thereby preventing it's otherwise release into the atmosphere and it is carbon neutral despite emitting CO2 because that carbon came from and would decay back into CO2 anyways, so no new carbon is being produced.
>You are insane, you know that?
What do you call yourself repeating the same nonsense in total denial of any scientific reality?
>I also never said cows add new carbon to the world.
Yes you did, multiple times, it's all there in the scrollback.
Your responses have been nothing but batshit and literally advocating for more harm simply because you don't understand the biochemistry here.
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