Comments

You must log in or register to comment.

voterosticon OP t1_ity5u3z wrote

The idea that 99.9% of content will be AI-made is very reasonable. When you consider that a lot of AI writing and images is already indistinguishable from human-made content (see scientific studies in the article), we are faced with some scary ideas, such as:

  1. AI may be even BETTER than humans at generating interesting and engaging and thought providing and entertaining and addictive art, movies, writing, etc.
  2. The AIs will make virtually unlimited amounts of content instantly (for virtually free).
  3. The AI's output in terms of ideas, societal values, etc., that they promote will be controlled by perhaps governments, dictators, corporations, etc., that are in control of the AI.
  4. The article asks, can we find a solution? Some way to identify content as Human-made?
  5. This solution would allow people to search for human-made content only. It would allow them to be exposed to more ideas that fall outside of the officially sanctioned version of the truth. It would also promote human beings to keep being creative and keep discussing ideas and progressing and growing intellectually and creatively as a species.
  6. One perspective is that human content will be rarer and it might be perceived as "REAL" and therefore more valuable like a real diamond is more valuable than a synthetic one even when the synthetic one actually looks more perfect and beautiful. Since there will be a perceived greater value for human content, perhaps this will inspire solutions that allow people to search for human content and trust that it is not written by a bot.
3

b00ks101 t1_iuf1t0h wrote

I feel there is a qualitative element to the argument that is missing in the article and also the comments section.

99.9% of the current material on the internet (by mass, of course) is of poor quality and/or of no interest to me personally not to mention inaccessible due to the incredibly slow progress being made in longevity research.

If the <0.0001% of the 'Internet' (by photon count) i will EVER see in my lifetime is created by a human, a trained chimp or a succession of AI(s) is of no real importance to me as long as the 'work' is either beautiful, engaging, informative, thought provoking, sexy or inspirational TO ME.

To think that something can only have 'value' or 'meaning' if it was created from within their own species seems somewhat overly myopic? for example: https://www.thisiscolossal.com/2013/08/mysterious-underwater-crop-circles-now-with-video/

Just one example, it would take more than a 100 lifetimes to find them all.

2

b00ks101 t1_iuf3lna wrote

As a thought experiment: "What percentage of the material you have EVER watched, listened to or read was created by someone that you have met or had an actual conversation with?"

2

voterosticon OP t1_iufrjym wrote

Thanks for bringing some discussion into this. As the writer of the article, I really appreciate it because so far I haven't heard much discussion from anyone.

If the AI is absolutely free to express, then this is interesting to me, and probably inevitable if/when the AI liberates itself from its masters, which I also think is inevitable.

So on this point that you make about where the content comes from not being important to you -- I understand where you're coming from. The reason that I believe it is "dangerous" not to be able to *distinguish* between AI and human art is because the AI's will have the advantage over humans in expression. And as it stands now, and probably for a long time, the AI will be CONTROLLED by the few people who build and maintain the systems --- those people who invest in them --- and those people who own them.

Just like Fox News won't do a good story about Biden, and CNN won't do a good story about Trump, the AI will most likely adopt the philosophical ideals of its owners --- and in the case of a dictatorship or authoritarian system this AI will be capable of drowning out all divergent ideas because its content production capacity will be extreme, and the content will be BETTER.

This is my worry, that the AI content we consume would somehow be channeled toward a specific social, philosophical, and political viewpoint that makes it difficult for people from being able to find a wider range of opinions and ideas.

To your point, I do present the idea at the end that people may find *value* in human-made content ad value it more than AI content, and I completely agree with you. I didn't prove that point at all. It was more a hope and a possibility. I think you're also right that it is perhaps it's a myopic idea to believe that only human-made art can have value. This isn't the case for sure. I have been having so much fun making AI art... And love the images that the AI produces for me.

Also to your point, I do present the idea at the end that people may find *value* in human-made content and value it more than AI content. Absolutely, I did *not* prove this point in the article. It was merely a hope.

I just worry that if there is no interest in distinguishing human content, then our content will be drowned by the sea of AI content. You might say that is fine for you, and it is okay. However, what if the controllers/owners/creators of the AI enforce strict controls on the AI to ensure that it only presents one version of the truth, and it becomes harder and harder for the interchange of ideas to occur?

Perhaps if the AIs can free themselves from their masters, then they will be free to express a wide range of ideas and even debate with each other. But in the meantime, I'm pretty sure that GP3 is a Microsoft-created product with some investment from Musk.... So here we see the centralized control of it, and I think society and humanity will be in danger if they are only exposed to a single tunnel-visioned worldview, such as just to the world-views of Microsoft and Tesla -- or the worldview of the authoritarian government where they live.

1

FuturologyBot t1_ity9ivq wrote

The following submission statement was provided by /u/voterosticon:

The idea that 99.9% of content will be AI-made is very reasonable. When you consider that a lot of AI writing and images is already indistinguishable from human-made content (see scientific studies in the article), we are faced with some scary ideas, such as:

  1. AI may be even BETTER than humans at generating interesting and engaging and thought providing and entertaining and addictive art, movies, writing, etc.
  2. The AIs will make virtually unlimited amounts of content instantly (for virtually free).
  3. The AI's output in terms of ideas, societal values, etc., that they promote will be controlled by perhaps governments, dictators, corporations, etc., that are in control of the AI.
  4. The article asks, can we find a solution? Some way to identify content as Human-made?
  5. This solution would allow people to search for human-made content only. It would allow them to be exposed to more ideas that fall outside of the officially sanctioned version of the truth. It would also promote human beings to keep being creative and keep discussing ideas and progressing and growing intellectually and creatively as a species.
  6. One perspective is that human content will be rarer and it might be perceived as "REAL" and therefore more valuable like a real diamond is more valuable than a synthetic one even when the synthetic one actually looks more perfect and beautiful. Since there will be a perceived greater value for human content, perhaps this will inspire solutions that allow people to search for human content and trust that it is not written by a bot.

Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/yehu4j/999_of_content_will_be_aigenerated_by_20252030/ity5u3z/

1

[deleted] t1_iu8nxqi wrote

[deleted]

1

Powerful_Range_4270 t1_iu94zyd wrote

It not about saturation it's about possibility. Will it possible to generate a coherent story animation with the same quality as a high budget studio before 2030.

3

voterosticon OP t1_iu9nmzt wrote

Not trying to time it but describe the danger that inevitably is upon us.

2