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Carrollmusician t1_iy8zqpz wrote
Futurology in general is fantastical predictions of the trajectory of our current tech and science. These are actually scientists working on a problem it may not be achievable but this is far more grounded than some billionaire saying that he’ll be on Mars in 3 years with no infrastructure planned for landing or staying.
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Carrollmusician t1_iy93fiq wrote
Geordi*.
But also this is mathematically possible. Material science and energy output are the problems and are possibly solvable in the future. Doing the legwork on math now is actual foundational work.
This sub exists primarily to jerk off elon and it’s funny when anything that’s legit “Future” stuff gets rolled over.
WendellVaughn_Quasar t1_iy97jqw wrote
I'm not a fan of Melon Usk, nor billionaires in general, so you can put your favorite straw-man away.
> Material science and energy output are the problems and are possibly solvable in the future.
This is the part I'm talking about. I've been reading the same pie-in-the-sky bullshit since the 90s, and it always comes down to needing that next breakthrough first. I'm highly skeptical that anyone is figuring out matter with negative mass or cold fusion in either of our lifetimes.
Vladius28 t1_iyavw3x wrote
You never know. Quite likely AI will unlock both. Science advancement is accelerating exponentially. We really can't predict what is possible anymore
StarChild413 t1_iycaikx wrote
around the same time r/collapse changed to apocalyptic power fantasy
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Moonkai2k t1_iy91u5r wrote
Star Wars is motivating me to build a moon sized space station. My chances of success are virtually identical to this team's.
This is also the 11,000th time this month someone has said some dumb shit like this trying to get funding from idiots.
StarChild413 t1_iycacny wrote
so therefore if I or others help you actually build a moon-sized space station they'll succeed at warp drive ;)
StarChild413 t1_iycaa5v wrote
friendly reminder that warp drive is allowed to be "ahead of schedule" because the lack of Eugenics Wars in the 90s and the lack of existence of Star Trek the show in its own past prove we're not in the prime timeline (doesn't mean we're in the mirror one either, the divergence point was either long before our time or at first contact depending on who you ask and if for whatever reason despite it seeming contrary to their values they had Star Trek as a show in their past they'd appear almost psychic about their encounters with prime timeline people due to having seen those episodes before)
jl_theprofessor t1_iy996cn wrote
Ah yes, the Alcubierre drive, the one that requires more energy than exists in the observable universe to operate.
PEexam2022 t1_iybcogd wrote
So you’re saying there’s a chance
AmIHigh t1_iy9oetp wrote
I swear I read somewhere about one only requiring the energy somehow/someway involved in Jupiter?
the_zelectro t1_iybjz9v wrote
Erik Lentz... Yeah, I emailed that guy.
I identified a potential problem to him: the mass-energy (100(s) of Jupiters, I believe) within his given radius (100m) met the criteria for Einstein's definition of a black hole.
It's a pretty simple equation if anybody wants to check me, btw.
Anyway, the dude told me that this lil' black hole problem was a "key challenge" to all models for warp travel. After that he directed me to his blog, where he was working on it...
I'll give him this: his blog has very complicated mathematics to create beautiful spacetime origami. But... He still doesn't have a solution to this "key challenge".
Tbh, that email turned me off to the whole idea of a warp drive. I'd rather not have a black hole park in our solar system, thanks.
AmIHigh t1_iybmy5n wrote
Haha reddit is great, random stories like this.
Further down someone says darpa made a legit warp bubble on a tiny (nano) scale by accident, and it seems legit, but I guess since it's so tiny it's not at black hole level?
Or it's yet another way to do it for less energy?
the_zelectro t1_iybpdup wrote
Seems they didn't create a bubble, just the exotic conditions that they might need to build one??
And, once again, everything I'm aware of suggests you need regular mass at the density for black holes... Which, obvious problem...
...OR some sort of "exotic mass/matter" that currently doesn't exist...
If this helps: the speed of light being a constant is one of the few things that roots/grounds a scale in our universe. I'm convinced that attempting to break the speed of light is doomed to fail, because you lose the definition of spacetime. The idea of spacetime originates from the fact that light moves at constant speed, and matter cannot exceed it (Einstein's special relativity, to be specific).
Trying to break spacetime's speed of light is like trying to make a water-bed perfectly flat by squeezing down every bump you can find.
One option is you burst the water bed. It ceases to be full of water, as well as ceases to be a bed (analogous to black hole in spacetime -- ceases to adequately represent space or time)...
Other option: you're just pushing down on one end of the bed, only to push another end up, like a game of whack-a-mole.
AmIHigh t1_iyc154h wrote
I really don't know enough to say one way or the other, but they claim it's a real warp bubble, and they could use this research to make another one now that the structure works as predicted. And the picture in the article is supposedly a picture of the real experiment, a real warp bubble.
So seems like they did an experiment, recorded it all, and all the numbers worked out to be a warp bubble accidentally?
https://thedebrief.org/darpa-funded-researchers-accidentally-create-the-worlds-first-warp-bubble/
> “our detailed numerical analysis of our custom Casimir cavities helped us identify a real and manufacturable nano/microstructure that is predicted to generate a negative vacuum energy density such that it would manifest a real nanoscale warp bubble, not an analog, but the real thing.”
>“To be clear, our finding is not a warp bubble analog, it is a real, albeit humble and tiny, warp bubble,” White told The Debrief, “hence the significance.”
and by pure fluke too
>So, whether by pure coincidence or some sort of personal destiny, it appears that one of the handful of engineers on the planet who would immediately know what it was he was looking at when conducting his Casimir cavity research was in the exact right place at the exact right time to notice a striking similarity to his warp drive passion project and his current research, an observation that may have otherwise gone unseen.
Also this one has other details
>Through an incredibly serendipitous happenstance, it took an engineer conducting the research at the exact right time — one who was familiar with warp technology research and knew what he was looking at — to realize that this totally unrelated research had produced a warp bubble.
https://scifi.radio/2021/12/07/darpa-researchers-create-first-genuine-warp-bubble-by-accident/
edit: Lots of edits, sigh.
the_zelectro t1_iycp76m wrote
His model is using negative energy. The only scientific models I know of that allow negative energy to exist in large amounts, without being woo-woo, are within black holes...
Another commenter here put this scientist's credentials into question. Additionally, they linked his original paper here, and the conclusions are pretty weak:
"The analysis also showed a possible intersection with a model developed in the context of general relativity to understand how hyperfast stellar travel might be manifested mathematically. The qualitative correlation would suggest that a chip-scale experiment might be explored to attempt to measure a tiny signature illustrative of the presence of the conjectured phenomenon."
Key takeaways: he doesn't have a mathematical model for FTL travel to work from (he also calls it "hyperfast", which could be an attempt to lower the bar). He only has a "possible intersection" where his experiment only gives a "qualitative correlation". This is weak for such bold claims... And, the phenomenon he's still looking to measure is only "conjectured".
I also saw a picture of his device, and it looks pretty scrappy for such precise electromagnetic measurements. The anomalies he claims to see could attributed be any number of mundane error.
I didn't read the whole thing, due to how weak the conclusion section was... But here's the article: https://idp.springer.com/authorize?response_type=cookie&client_id=springerlink&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Flink.springer.com%2Fcontent%2Fpdf%2F10.1140%2Fepjc%2Fs10052-021-09484-z
Sanchez_U-SOB t1_iyasz8w wrote
If I remember correctly, this was shown by Erik Lentz.
AmIHigh t1_iyav75w wrote
Well that's definitely better than of the known universe. Just gotta keep pecking away at it
Mrsparkles7100 t1_iy9cd46 wrote
Not fully knowledgeable in this subject. Know DARPA related project created a wrap bubble by accident.
https://scifi.radio/2021/12/07/darpa-researchers-create-first-genuine-warp-bubble-by-accident/
PhyneasPhysicsPhrog t1_iyb5s9y wrote
I dug really deep into this, going as far as reading the original paper. Unfortunately Dr White didn’t actually build a bubble. His experiment created the negative energy characteristics associated with the Alcubierre Drive. No warp bubble was produced, his paper only covered a mathematical model which may assist in making a warp drive. The research is cool, but the experiment portion only confirms the results of existing research. Even more unfortunate is that a quick search of credible sources places doubt on his theoretical work.
The confirmation of Casimir Cavities is exciting, he should’ve left his results as is. Unfortunately his story keeps getting wilder each time he tells it. I don’t have much faith in his ability to maintain a narrative.
Original Article as you can tell it’s far from creating a buble: https://idp.springer.com/authorize?response_type=cookie&client_id=springerlink&redirect_uri=https%3A%2F%2Flink.springer.com%2Fcontent%2Fpdf%2F10.1140%2Fepjc%2Fs10052-021-09484-z
Viper_63 t1_iyc7quj wrote
I pointed this out when the first "stories" about White paper (get it?) were linked to in this sub. This is really more of a mathematical artifact than anything else. But people on this sub were adamant that this was, in fact, a demonstration of actual warp effects.
Despite the fact that nothing physical was even demonstrated.
Gari_305 OP t1_iy8m6cc wrote
From the Article
>Enter Greg Hodgin, Ph.D., a chemical engineer and political scientist who has started his own company, ZC Inc., with the primary goal of building a warp-capable spaceship within his lifetime.
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>Dr. Hodgin recently sat down with The Debrief to discuss his lofty goals and the evolving roadmap he has laid out to achieve them. And unlike the handful of theorists who have preceded him in this nascent field, Hodgin believes he has the right people and the right plan to make warp drive spacecraft a physical reality.
Also from the Article
>After talking with the various warp field theorists and engineers, Hodgin says his extremely tiny warp craft will also feature some significant advantages over previous theoretical designs. For example, his warp field will not be constant but pulsed on and off. This allows for more control and also allows for ongoing communication between the ship and the engineers.
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>“One of the problems with Alcubierre is once you turn it on, you can’t turn it off,” he explained. “Ours mitigates that problem.”
Good-Advantage-9687 t1_iy8sqfy wrote
Wasn't there a sci-fi novel that feature a kind of pulse warp-drive of some sort?.
FuturologyBot t1_iy92vlo wrote
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Gari_305:
From the Article
>Enter Greg Hodgin, Ph.D., a chemical engineer and political scientist who has started his own company, ZC Inc., with the primary goal of building a warp-capable spaceship within his lifetime.
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>Dr. Hodgin recently sat down with The Debrief to discuss his lofty goals and the evolving roadmap he has laid out to achieve them. And unlike the handful of theorists who have preceded him in this nascent field, Hodgin believes he has the right people and the right plan to make warp drive spacecraft a physical reality.
Also from the Article
>After talking with the various warp field theorists and engineers, Hodgin says his extremely tiny warp craft will also feature some significant advantages over previous theoretical designs. For example, his warp field will not be constant but pulsed on and off. This allows for more control and also allows for ongoing communication between the ship and the engineers.
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>“One of the problems with Alcubierre is once you turn it on, you can’t turn it off,” he explained. “Ours mitigates that problem.”
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/z7xqkm/star_trek_is_motivating_this_team_of_scientists/iy8m6cc/
FastDocument978 t1_iy9441l wrote
So, let’s just suppose someone starts flying a vessel at FTL. This vessel screams through the gray until it interacts with a planet, star, moon, comet, or any other massive object. Or gets anywhere near a gravity well. Total wipeout! Crew, tech, and everything: GONE! Portals… That’s where we should focus resources. Ftl is a great mcguffin for film.
KillerNinja86678 t1_iy962i2 wrote
All i gotta say is good luck. Itll be 50 years plus till we have this.
StarChild413 t1_iycaeh1 wrote
Are you just being pessimistic as if you're saying that if it's possible we have to invent it when the show says we should that's only 40 years and a couple months away
KillerNinja86678 t1_iye0j1e wrote
Sure. Take it how you will i think itll be ready for first use of testing in 50 years or it will just be ready for anyone in 50 years. But thoes 2 goals are different. Maybe theyre testing it now? I dont know. Im just really excited to leave earth.
BrightSkies42 t1_iydy1fq wrote
I think that's not far off from the Star Trek timeline of first contact.
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OliverSparrow t1_iydwk61 wrote
Oh goodie, it's got scientists so it must be good to go. Albeit the lead fgure is "a chemical engineer and political scientist". And it's got a warp field so that's all right.
Mospeada_21 t1_iyeb5sg wrote
From what I understand, JPL already created a warp bubble. The rework of the math for the amount of energy needed says it's much less than what they thought. Of course their Warp Buble was really, really, small, but worked.
WendellVaughn_Quasar t1_iy8nac6 wrote
When did this sub change from evidence-based speculation to science-fantasy?