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Fexxvi t1_ixcyagl wrote

Reply to comment by MuNuKia in This Copyright Lawsuit Could Shape the Future of Generative AI by Gari_305

AIs learn how other artists paint so they can paint in the same style. That's what literally every art student does and it's not the same as copying.

“AI literally has to use copyrighted work to build the query setup by the user.”

The AI learned from copyrighted material to produce original results with the given prompts, just like anyone can learn from copyrighted material and make paintings in the style of (not exactly like) said material.

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MuNuKia t1_ixcyg2h wrote

People can also take inspiration from every other object to build artwork. This machine learning, is only using artwork, so the sample size is much smaller for the machine learning, and that means the machine learning has a limited scope to learn about art.

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Fexxvi t1_ixczbrd wrote

So? That doesn't refute my point.

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MuNuKia t1_ixczkro wrote

Yes it does. Because the machine learning algorithm is only using copyrighted work, to create an output. A human can look at a tree and use that as inspiration. It’s not that hard to comprehend.

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Fexxvi t1_ixd3emf wrote

My original argument was:

“No, programmers are using other people's images to teach their AI's, just like you would teach an art student to learn styles and techniques from previous paintings. Once the AI has learned, those images are not stored anywhere in the AI's code.”

You said it was wrong, yet your comment

“People can also take inspiration from every other object to build artwork. This machine learning, is only using artwork, so the sample size [...]”

doesn't refute said argument. So either say something to refute my argument which, according to you is wrong or stop trying to move the goalposts.

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MuNuKia t1_ixd3nyn wrote

Yes it does. You are just showing me you don’t know anything about AI.

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Fexxvi t1_ixd48x4 wrote

OK, then. The argument is:

“Programmers are using other people's images to teach their AI's, just like you would teach an art student to learn styles and techniques from previous paintings. Once the AI has learned, those images are not stored anywhere in the AI's code.”

Now refute it.

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MuNuKia t1_ixd6l5b wrote

The code in the AI has memory. The memory is updated using the copyrighted works. Then the code will call that memory to build a new image.

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Fexxvi t1_ixd6vom wrote

The memory is updated using the copyrighted AI.”? Excuse me? Or do you mean “the memory is updated using copyrighted material ”?

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MuNuKia t1_ixd79za wrote

Ya, updated the comment. However, my point stands. The programmer will setup the code to use the computer’s RAM. When then RAM is updated to build the training data, it’s part of the program.

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Fexxvi t1_ixd9z7u wrote

I don't understand this. Explain exactly this refutes my point in simple words, please.

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MuNuKia t1_ixdarvy wrote

Code takes data. Codes stores data in computer’s memory, code pulls data, to compute the algorithm, based on user input. Algorithm output is the combination of user input and the data used to build the model.

The biggest bottleneck in analytics is memory. That’s why Hadoop is also becoming a big deal, so an analyst can use the memory of multiple computers at the same time. Which means memory and the data used in memory is an aspect of a machine learning program.

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Fexxvi t1_ixday6t wrote

OK, I think I got it. How does this disprove my comment again?

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MuNuKia t1_ixdbns8 wrote

Because the AI code is storing data from the training set, to build the algorithm.

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Fexxvi t1_ixdfq2g wrote

“Data” as in the knowledge the AI has gained from the training, yes. Just like an art student remembers the styles and techniques they've learnt.

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