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DonManuel t1_ixgui3d wrote

Reply to comment by pete1901 in On The Rising Non-Working Class (And What Their Despair Says About Us All) by capcaunul

> decide

Often not a free decision I guess.

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[deleted] t1_ixhhdwe wrote

Well I think for many of us, by decide, we'll just go hang ourselves because there's no point in continuing it.

Why work to have sadness? There is no point if there is no happiness.

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Aromatic-Maize-247 t1_ixhjb5o wrote

Name does not check out.

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[deleted] t1_ixhlqw7 wrote

Yep, depression is a bitch. Trying to stay positive.

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OlafForkbeard t1_ixhyu6c wrote

Nihilism: Nothing matters, it's all pointless.

Pessimistic Nihilism: Nothing matters, why try?

Optimistic Nihilism: Nothing matters, and it's liberating.

Might I suggest the bottom ideology?

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thruster_fuel69 t1_ixi1a7f wrote

Agency nihilism: nothing matters unless we create meaning.

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OlafForkbeard t1_ixia1w9 wrote

That's the natural next step to what I proposed IMO.

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mxavierk t1_ixidfwl wrote

It's a very large step that many people don't take though.

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thruster_fuel69 t1_ixidj2a wrote

As a nice side benefit it also gives your personality a sharp edge, just remove the meaning and nothing matters. Off, on, win!

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CouncilofOrzhova t1_ixii2mz wrote

Optimistic Agency Nihilism: Nothing matters, and it’s liberating to create meaning.

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thruster_fuel69 t1_ixijdsg wrote

Pessimistic agency nihilism: nothing matters, and it's a bad idea to create meaning.

Not a fan of this one personally 😂

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bioluminum t1_ixif447 wrote

Double nihilism: nothing still doesn't matter

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thruster_fuel69 t1_ixif8jk wrote

Wouldn't that be, no meaning is the meaning? As a double negative.

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FTRFNK t1_ixif2qc wrote

Lol, it's not even an issue with "nothing matters" it's an issue with being treated like we're just above slaves toiling away for the rich to get richer, prices to go up and our hard work amounting to spinning tires in the mud.

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AnotherCodfish t1_ixj1z9e wrote

So, let's be stupidly happy without believing in anything.

Sounds stupid and irrelevant. But hey, you wouldn't mind would you? :D

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OlafForkbeard t1_ixlc9ip wrote

Nihilism isn't the belief in nothing. Nihilism is the belief that regardless of what's there, it doesn't matter.

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AnotherCodfish t1_ixld71j wrote

Regardless of what you believe is there or not. It's as much as perception as content.

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OlafForkbeard t1_ixmo2k5 wrote

Yes.

I'm not really sure what you attempting to oppose posit here. Those concepts are not mutually exclusive.

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AnotherCodfish t1_ixnleeb wrote

I think the concept of belief is key in my opinion. My point is nihilism is believing nothing matters, regardless of the fact it does or not.

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AnotherCodfish t1_ixj1lgk wrote

> There is no point if there is no happiness.

You need to read Nietzsche, Frankl, Jung, Buddah, Peterson. The point is not happiness, it's meaning. Life is suffering. The point is not happiness, it's meaning.

Staying positive is emotion. Find some meaning and you'll endure everything.

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[deleted] t1_ixj3nda wrote

Good way to phrase it, I would agree. I just think happiness comes from having meaning and purpose. You aren't inherently happy. You are happy from meeting challenges etc.

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AnotherCodfish t1_ixj4hhs wrote

I honestly think happiness is irrelevant. The goal is to flow really. Flow like water. To be one with the universe. Meaning helps keeping us focused and flowing with the universe.

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