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darth_nadoma OP t1_ixp1fj0 wrote

People who mocked electric cars stated that electric heavy trucks are impossible due to battery weight. But now they available for ordering from Renault. With manufacturing facility located at Bourg-en-Bresse, in the middle of France.

Weighing in at 44 tons, and capable of going 300 km on a single charge. Although Manufacturers still don't say how much weight will they be able to carry. Guess that depends on the distance.

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tomtttttttttttt t1_ixp95a8 wrote

I don't think it weighs 44t.

44t is the maximum total loaded weight for a lorry in the EU. (Vehicle plus load)

https://www.thetruckexpert.co.uk/renault-trucks-unveils-its-electric-t-and-c-models/

Here it describes it as a 44t lorry which means it's classed as a vehicle that can go up to that weight, bearing in mind that there are different licences you need to get as you go up weight limits.

I think the article has misunderstood what Renault mean when they call it a 44t lorry. If the cab alone weighed that, it would not be able to carry any load.

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darth_nadoma OP t1_ixpjag8 wrote

Thank you. That wasn't at all clear from the article I linked.

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mark-haus t1_ixpw7td wrote

44t I believe is the weight you'd use if you want to travel between every EU country. Each individual country sometimes has higher maximums like Sweden and Finland for example, but all of them will allow at least 44t.

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tomtttttttttttt t1_ixq5smf wrote

Yes, you are right, I wasn't aware that some countries have higher limits before today.

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ProfessorHermit t1_ixp79ki wrote

It’s available to order but the load capacity isn’t listed?

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tomtttttttttttt t1_ixp8vtr wrote

I'm assuming they only supply the cab so they can't give a load capacity beyond 44t, since they won't know the trailer weight.

I'm pretty certain the article OP has linked had misunderstood what Renault mean when they say it's a 44t lorry. This refers to the total load plus vehicle weight maximum, which is a maximum of 44t in the EU.

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TheFreakish t1_ixpm4zo wrote

My work truck does 1000-1400km. Europe is a lot smaller than Canada though.

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MarmonRzohr t1_ixpwp04 wrote

Yeah, naturally, battery-powered trucks like these will not replace diesel on long routes.

Renault says on their site that they are intended for shorter, regional routes. For example they say that the largest truck model coming is 2023 will have a 300 km range with a practical range of 500 km with one, one-hour charging stop.

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Kempeth t1_ixptt0u wrote

Germany is working on overhead power lines for trucks. If that works out and is retrofitted onto enough highways then 300km would easily be enough range to get onto the highway and off again, riding the rest of the trip on grid power.

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Surur t1_ixpx2et wrote

I really support this idea. The pantographs can be retro-fitted for only a few thousand $, and can be used with both hybrid and electric trucks, and would obviously pay for itself in reduced fuel fees, so I feel this is a system which could easily be rolled out piecemeal, starting on major highways.

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anschutz_shooter t1_ixpzqiy wrote

Most trucking isn't like that though - even in Canada. Measuring by "daily journeys", local freight dominates over long-haul, and the average journey is well under 300km - railhead/port to warehouse, warehouse to supermarket.

Or distribution between a company's production sites (e.g. where I am in the UK we have a major manufacturer with six factories and one big goods-inbound logistics centre. So they have a fleet of trucks continuously ferrying components from the centre to factories, all <20km. There will be similar arrangements in some Canadian cities). Ideal application for an electric truck (particularly since you control both ends, and can have charging infra anywhere - though these trucks could do at least 5 rounds trips on a single charge).

In truth, 1400km truck journeys shouldn't exist outside of mad niche cases like Ice Road trucking. Between cities or provinces the cargo should just go on a train. Safer, better timetable reliability, lower carbon, one driver per hundred wagons, instead of one-per-trailer.

Even in the UK, companies like Amazon and Tesco (supermarket) are moving heavily to railfreight because it's just more reliable than road haulage. That's mostly for freight between southern England and Scotland, which is "upto 500km". Also, for stuff arriving at ports, so it goes straight on a train and doesn't touch a road until it's near its final destination.

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dc456 t1_ixpsbsw wrote

1400km a day?

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TheFreakish t1_ixpx5ac wrote

I've done 1200km for a day of work. 1400km per fuel up.

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dc456 t1_ixpxqal wrote

That’s not an issue in the EU, as it wouldn’t be legal - you’d have driven for too long in one day. It’s not about the size of the place, it’s about the number of hours you’re allowed to drive.

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MotorizaltNemzedek t1_ixpyn9g wrote

Still, truckers regularly drive 550+ kms/day in Europe

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Hippemann t1_ixq5tyb wrote

I think they legally have to stop driving for 45 minutes every 4.5 hours in France (or any combinaison with a similar ratio). Which would be perfectly apt to recharge the truck battery!

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thefpspower t1_ixqeaqw wrote

And where are the truck recharging points?

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dc456 t1_ixpz0zf wrote

Yeah, and they can continue to use an ICE truck for those journey types, or top up during their break.

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ricky302 t1_ixsw5b5 wrote

Really? what do you classify as a day, 12 hours? so non-stop at 100kmh for 12 hours. Yes, really believable.

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TheFreakish t1_ixtinqb wrote

110kph most of the time, highway 99% of the way. I can drive 13 hours a day.

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nova9001 t1_ixpf18k wrote

Nikola was worth more than $30b at its peak in 2020, so people were definitely buying into the idea of electric trucks even back in 2020.

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GoTriggerYourself t1_ixpjvq0 wrote

And Tesla will deliver their trucks all the way back in 2019, also with huge public interest.

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Hit_Z t1_ixq50e3 wrote

300km range ... That is pretty much useless and I say this with my humble expertise of 10 years working as long haul truck driver in EU. Electric trucks will always be a joke, until technology pulls through and they design batteries that can do 1800km with a single charge with maximum permitted load. IMO Renault should take note from Iveco and focus on LNG/GNC trucks. I have driven their diesel T520 and can say that there isn't better truck confort wise currently in EU, if they start developing one with LNG/GNC engine, it will be huge success.

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MrEvilFox t1_ixqn6en wrote

So in your 10 year expertise of working as a truck driver you’ve never heard of truckers having gigs where they haul local short routes (which makes up the majority of trucking): runs from warehouse to the store loading dock, or between rail yard and warehouse? That is the intended use for these trucks. No one is saying that they’re going to try to run them from Mexico to Alaska.

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zoinkability t1_ixqolv1 wrote

There is a reason you need to use the phrase “long haul” before “truck driver” when you describe yourself. Because there are lots of truck routes (and drivers) that are short and medium haul. Which is what Renault says this truck is for.

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AyBruhBee t1_ixp788o wrote

Holy shit, an average semi truck weighs about 15k pounds, this is just a cabover and it weighs 88k pounds? I really dont want to be in front of one of these during the snow time, god forbid a pileup. Thats agonizing to even just think about. All that fire...

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tomtttttttttttt t1_ixp8lnv wrote

I don't think it weighs 44t.

44t is the maximum total loaded weight for a lorry in the EU. (Vehicle plus load)

https://www.thetruckexpert.co.uk/renault-trucks-unveils-its-electric-t-and-c-models/

Here it describes it as a 44t lorry which means it's classed as a vehicle that can go up to that weight, bearing in mind that there are different licences you need to get as you go up weight limits.

I think the article that OP has read has misunderstood what Renault mean when they call it a 44t lorry. If the cab alone weighed that, it would not be able to carry any load.

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AyBruhBee t1_ixp9df4 wrote

Yeah marketing all looks very misleading, its a 44 ton GVWR but nowhere does it state the Curb Weight of the semi itself. I guess thats a surprise waiting for truckers at the weigh stations

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tomtttttttttttt t1_ixp9s8h wrote

I mean surely Renault must say that somewhere, it's got to be vital for a lot of trucking companies to know exactly how much weight load capacity they have. I expect it's quite high so they are trying to downplay it to get initial interest.

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