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starfyredragon t1_j0ckuie wrote

Reply to comment by Wookie_Nipple in Climate change will kill us all! by [deleted]

No no, we need more of this kind of outrage.

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Wookie_Nipple t1_j0cmnxc wrote

To be clear, I don't disagree with OP. But OP working themselves up into a panic about it isn't very helpful. The challenge for most of us is that there isn't really much we can do (or know to do) that's impactful bottoms-up. We need a viable top down plan from our leadership if anything useful is ever going to change. OP should take a few deep breaths and go do something outside.

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starfyredragon t1_j0cooqv wrote

I disagree. In fact, one of the best things to curb climate change would be a climate version of the French Revolution globally.

Thing is, all the capability to fix climate change already exists. The problem is that all the solutions are incompatible with the "growth at any cost" mentality that most businesses have, since that "growth at any cost" mentality is the core of the problem in the first place. All those at the top are trying to figure out ways to fix climate change in ways that don't damage their bottom line, which just isn't possible. Fixing climate change requires us all to tighten our belts a bit and live a little less high off the hog, and take time to update & improve what we've already made rather than breakneck making more.

We need to make decisions that don't align with business interests, and we aren't going to do that as long as the decision makers are aligned with businesses.

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Wookie_Nipple t1_j0cppd8 wrote

So, yeah, bottoms-up we should all revolt and overthrow the global experiment in unfettered capitalism backed by all of our major world governments who have well armed and trained police forces. All of us should be willing to throw away the system that puts food on our tables and roofs over our head in hopes we can accomplish something revolutionary, without a unifying organizer or even a clear articulatable goal state. This is what I'm saying. You're not wrong in one regard, but this isn't actually a viable plan to organize around. I'm all for solutions but they won't happen at the individual-up level. There needs to be a catalyzing, viable plan with top-down leadership to create the type of momentum needed to literally change the entire world order.

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