In most cases yes. I often preheat/precool my car while it’s on the charger at home before even leaving the house.

If it's anything like the Ioniq 5 the AC will slow it down and if it's too hot outside (TX hot) it may not blow cool air. I usually shut the car down and go hang out inside while waiting.

Imagine being without AC for TWELVE minutes.

>These advances, which should become ubiquitous amongst EVs over the next few years, will mean we need fewer superchargers for long-distance travel, and that EVs will become even more practical for those without chargers at their homes.

A 12-minute charge would make it close enough to filling up a gas tank that they might add them to existing gas stations. Especially companies that have built up the convenience store aspect, they would try to draw people in to make money on higher profit items like snacks and soda.

660... Amps? It says charging current of 660 volts which makes no sense. 500 kW/800V is 625 amps, so it doubly makes no sense.

Using something degrades it. You heard it here first folks. Petrol cars never degrade anything I guess?

500kw... Do you know how much electricity that is? Damn thing practically would need its own electrical substation. Imagine having to coordinate with grid operators just to charge ONE car at 500KW.

It’s already largely a non-issue from a day to day basis for many people. I wake up to a “full tank” every day and spend 0 time thinking about it.

This will be very hard on the batteries. The battery cooling system is going to need to be way better than what current EV'S currently have.

Most manufacturers are moving to better battery chemistries, the new main stay LiFePo handles it better, and other designs such as solid state batteries are even better.

LFP can easily do 3000.

That's why maximum charge speed is achieved on 800v based systems.

Won't matter if you sell your fucked battery for scrap to offset the cost of a new one. Lithium going to be very expensive soon.

750 charges times 200 miles is 150,000 miles. That sounds reasonable. And you'll probably still have 80% capacity at that point.

At a 1,000 chargers twice a week that means 10 years of battery life ?

I was going to say, 500kW is a lot of power. A charging station with multiple chargers is going to need a god damn substation.

They will have to be strategically placed near high voltage lines.

You can pull enormous amounts of powe out of the middle voltage powe nets if they are set up properly.

The issue here is that the current infrastructure was juuust good enough to support what is required and now needs modernization anyway.

I mean there are already several 6-8 bank 300kw stations throughout the country.

Oh, a blind man with a brain can see it. The switching gear and copper cables coming from the power plant will be similar to a manufacturing plant requirements (per charging station).

And then offer better rates off peak... the station might be a power plant of a sorts on its own.

Energy storage aka Megapacks at the site

Maybe DC is the way

Significantly more complex and has even bigger power requirements.

And batteries are pretty expensive parts that you have to have in storage.

Plus.. it will limit how you can build cars for literally decades.

Yes, it seems like a solution to something that most people will find wasn't really a problem to begin with, since slow charging overnight in the garage will adequately juice-up EVs for most peoples' commutes / groceries, etc.

You just buy a new car, duh

About to hit 200k on my 2005 4-runner. I don’t think we’ll ever have cars like that again

Charging spots are getting better though.

Idk, 15-20 years will see new ICE vehicle sales banned in huge parts of the world.

I think it'll be a lot quicker than that but i understand the USA in general is a long way behind the UK (where i am) on this transition.

Dude we have several 350kW stations close by. 500 kW isn't that much more effectively

I wonder why you can't swap a battery at the gas station just like a propane tank?

I mean, you really only need a super charger if you traveling 200+ miles in a day. Otherwise you can recharge at home or maybe at your destination. So if they’re strategically placed every 100ish miles like rest stops you’d probably be fine.

90% of the time you will charge at home overnight. At the rate things are going, nobody will be foolish enough to build a new gas station. in 10 years most new cars will be EV. In 20 years you will have a hard time buying a new ICE vehicle and gas stations will begin disappearing.

Isn’t the only place you need these in between Road trips. Normal L3 seem good for shopping malls like target where people spend 20-30 minutes in. And the rest they charge at home.

Your Subaru / Toyota EV training told you to tell customers to avoid Tesla Superchargers?

The Toyota that famously has avoided EV's as long as they can and don't have ANY right now? Same with Subaru?

Consider your source. Anyone that refers to Generic DC Fast Charging as "superchargers" is not an expert on EV's.

Plenty of people with Teslas have supercharged exclusively and have data. Does it degrade? Yes. Is it "rapidly"? Not at all- some of these cars have 200K miles on them and still have 80%+ capacity.

It’s a valid point, but if you’re doing this occasionally for long distance road trips the affect is negligible. Most people do / should charge at home for their day to day travel. The higher cost of supercharging vs. at home charging further encourages this behavior.

Effects Of Frequent Fast Charging An electric car’s ability to accept higher charge currents is affected by the battery chemistry. The accepted wisdom in the industry is that faster charging will increase the rate at which an EV’s battery capacity will decline. However, a study conducted by the Idaho National Laboratory (INL) concluded that while an electric car’s battery will deteriorate faster if it’s only power source is Level 3 charging (which is almost never the case) the difference isn’t particularly pronounced.

The INL tested two pairs of Nissan Leaf EVs from the 2012 model year that were driven and charged twice daily. Two were replenished from 240-volt "Level 2" chargers like those used in one's garage, with the other two taken to Level 3 stations. They were each were driven on public reads in the Phoenix, Ariz. area over the course of a year. They were tested under the same conditions, with their climate control systems set at 72 degrees and the same set of drivers piloting all four cars. The vehicles’ battery capacity was tested at 10,000-mile intervals.

After all four test cars had been driven for 50,000 miles, the Level 2 cars had lost around 23 percent of their original battery capacity, while the Level 3 cars were down by around 27 percent. The 2012 Leaf had an average range of 73 miles, which means these numbers represent a difference of around just three miles on a charge.

It should be noted that much of the INL’s testing over the 12-month period was conducted in extremely hot Phoenix weather, which can inherently take its own toll on battery life, as would the deep charging and discharging necessary to keep the relatively short-range 2012 Leaf running.

The takeaway here is that while DC charging may have an effect on an electric car’s battery life, it should be minimal, especially in that it’s not a primary charging source.

https://www.myev.com/research/interesting-finds/is-dc-fast-charging-bad-for-your-electric-car

Unless your commute is 120 miles each way, you don’t need to supercharge outside of long distance trips

This was my first question. We are offgrid on solar power for 15 years and now have a good lithium battery. Charge rate is very important and measured in hours not minutes for the very reason you state.

Subaru and Toyota can use superchargers? I thought that was a tesla technology/standard. What voltage traction batteries do subaru and Toyota use?

Honestly, if your life is so busy that the 7-10 minutes extra time is a deal breaker, fair play to you.

For the vast majority of cases, people can just charge to full at home, or top up every few days, and these fast chargers work fine for that.

A few minutes that are easily offset by the fact that i only need to visit a gas station to check tire pressure..

A few seconds to plug in and then go and do other stuff rather than a few minutes stood by the car filling it up before i can do the other things i need to?

And "full" is a pointless metric, all that matters is how much range you get.