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gerkletoss t1_j1f6xu9 wrote

My guess would be never, since there's no known physical principal which would allow it.

I suppose digital beings could do something similar by emailing themselves around.

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iwanttol t1_j1falbh wrote

Temporary plastic email clones?!

i like this

edit: my guess is 15-20 years for that kinda tech

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DoS_Disrespect t1_j1fcuac wrote

Imagine play a VR game, but instead you control a robot on Mars.

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extol504 t1_j1fbkmm wrote

You go in, you are then destroyed and cloned with all memories. It could happen

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Cheshire_Jester t1_j1fci0e wrote

I feel like you’re probably very aware of the philosophical thought problem that is inherent to this idea.

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gerkletoss t1_j1fd0ku wrote

>digital beings

In any case, your consciousness ceases under general anesthesia and people still do that.

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n0oo7 t1_j1f7wcn wrote

Eh. There's a giant thought experiment whereas teleportation breaks the fundamental laws of physics, and thus we don't know if the person who comes out of the other end would be "you" or a "copy of you with your memories"

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AGhoulgoneTitan t1_j1f9qwv wrote

This what I have always talked about. What if a teleporter just disintegrates you and creates an exact copy on the other side. The second you would have all the memories you had right up till walking into the teleporter and so would believe it worked perfectly. While the original you would be dead.

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adi-C-1401 t1_j1fbfo1 wrote

But how would a biological copy be recreated, that too, at an instant? Like, even now, it takes a lot of effort to even recreate an exact cell.

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Ostrichman975 t1_j1fbi1d wrote

Kinda strange to think about… this seems to me to break the fundamentals of religious beliefs. If when I die, I go to heaven or hell…. What about my clone? If I murdered someone and end up going to hell, does my clone face the same judgement?

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drivealone t1_j1fbsnq wrote

Good thing those are not real concerns because once we start playing god there’s not much use for ancient gods

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Thin-Limit7697 t1_j1fbfn8 wrote

Not to mention the fact that if used on anything other than living beings, the "transport" part is pointless, only the "print" part matters.

Let's say you successfully teleport an orange once, disintegrating it in one side and rebuilding it on the other side. Since you already have the blueprint of an orange, why would you teleport any other orange? Just print again the orange you already teleported. As long as you have the required elements, you can always do that.

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Ok_Dog_4059 t1_j1fcbsk wrote

Now if we could do that why not put all those memories into a synthetic body and have a robot running around thinking it was us for the next 3 or 4 hundred years.

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cjc1983 t1_j1fccd1 wrote

Told my wife about this the other day...blew her mind...made her angry...apparently I've ruined star trek for her.

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AuburnElvis t1_j1fch69 wrote

That's disintegration teleportation, but wormhole teleportation doesn't create clones. It's always you stepping through the wormhole.

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hOprah_Winfree-carr t1_j1ffaeh wrote

It doesn't break any law of physics and that's not what's claimed in the video. The thought experiment is simply to demonstrate paradoxes in the classical notion of identity. The solution to this supposed conundrum is actually pretty simple; there isn't any essential "you" who has experiences. There's only experience itself, i.e. experience is the net result of being, not a thing that beings do. At the moment that two exact copies emerge from the transporter they cease to be exact copies, simply by virtue of the fact that they no longer occupy the same space. They're both equally "you" inasfar as a "you" exists, which is to say that it really doesn't, at least not in the sense of an essential being. The continual chain of cause and effect that thinks of itself as you is multiplied and split so that each chain is now separate, operating from two different perspectives at once. That situation is not essentially different than the situation of your experience existing alongside the experience of a person who's been separate from you their entire life, i.e. just another person.

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NapsterUlrich t1_j1f8so5 wrote

I’ll never trust a teleporter. I think our original form will die, and then be recreated elsewhere, but our string of consciousness will not continue, even if our copy says it does

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Durris t1_j1faxhr wrote

If you die and instantly reappear somewhere else with all of your memories and everything about you is the same, what's the difference?

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NapsterUlrich t1_j1fb3cz wrote

It’ll be another you, not you. To your friends and family, nothing has changed, but you don’t get to see what happens

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Durris t1_j1fbtru wrote

And I'm asking what's the difference? You would wake up feeling exactly as you do now. Would you also not want your consciousness uploaded into a computer if it meant you kept existing?

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jl_theprofessor t1_j1fcde7 wrote

Someone else would be waking up feeling exactly as I do now. Not me.

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Durris t1_j1fcn6q wrote

So just like being uploaded into a computer?

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jl_theprofessor t1_j1fdezl wrote

Yeah which is another thing I wouldn’t do.

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Durris t1_j1fe3kr wrote

So you would take death and nothingness over continued consciousness?

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jl_theprofessor t1_j1feswf wrote

If I upload my consciousness to a computer I will be able to interact with it because it will be a separate entity. Not me.All that would do is create two of me.

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Durris t1_j1ffmhs wrote

You are your consciousness sitting in a sack of meat that takes a while to spoil. If you would rather die in that meat than be inside a computer or in another body, that's your prerogative. I would however point out that you just said that it would make two of you.

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ShadowDefuse t1_j1fgeb4 wrote

you get death and nothingness either way. it would be a copy of you that continues on. seems like you’re misunderstanding

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Durris t1_j1fhod0 wrote

You are your consciousness. As long as that continues, you are alive. An exact copy of you is still you. Do you feel that a person in a coma with no conscious thought wakes up and is now a different person?

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gerkletoss t1_j1fewfx wrote

How do you know that doesn't happen every morning?

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NapsterUlrich t1_j1fch3i wrote

I must not be being clear. You wouldn’t wake up. It’s like suddenly generating a twin with all your memories and feelings. You suddenly don’t take over the body of your twin. You die, your twin lives on, your consciousness and existence is over, but your twin takes your place

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Durris t1_j1fd5hf wrote

You are your consciousness. If someone killed you in your sleep and uploaded an exact copy of your consciousness into an exact copy of your body, would you know when you woke up or would you just be you? Also please address the question of whether or not you would want your consciousness uploaded into a computer to prevent death.

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NapsterUlrich t1_j1fdfkh wrote

Well to answer the computer thing, yeah I’d wanna be uploaded, although that was never part of the original discussion. I’m not gonna upload my consciousness every time I teleport. And my point is that I don’t believe our consciousness will transfer over, which is why I don’t trust teleporters.

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Durris t1_j1fdzzo wrote

I specifically stated in the question that the premise is that your consciousness is transferred. You can't ignore the premise if you are trying to answer the question in good faith. So if your consciousness is perfectly replicated, would you be willing to teleport? If you still say no, how is that any different from the computer upload?

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DJ_Rand t1_j1ffkzb wrote

It boils down to: How can you be sure that its you? If i teleport, but I'm dead, and another me is alive with my memories, that is a very significant difference. The difference is that everyone else thinks you are you but for the real you, you are dead, you don't wake back up. But there is another you that thinks they teleported and woke back up.

But "perfectly replicated" is a weird way to word it. If you truly mean replicated, that means copied. The real us would be dead, gone, never to awake as us again. If you mean "if your consciousness could be maintained and transfered as is without the originals death" then...

If that fear could be put aside and we could be sure that it is indeed us, and not just a clone with our atoms reconstructed, then it would be fine for most people probably.

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Durris t1_j1fg1u7 wrote

If your consciousness is moved vs copied what's the difference? Would you ever know the difference?

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DJ_Rand t1_j1fh2gj wrote

Moved = you are aware that youre still alive. Copied = you are dead, heaven, hell, eternal nothingness, etc.

Your copied clone wouldnt know the difference.

I unserstand your argument. But the copy isnt the same you. Its another person with your memories. You do not get to see through the copies eyes or control the copies body. You ceased to exist.

So to answer your question, no, we wouldnt know. Because we would simply die, and another version of us, which is not us, would live on in our place, thinking that it truly is us.

That's a fundamental difference.

Your question is basically: If you jumped off a bridge and died, but a demon got to walk around in your meat suit afterwards, looking like you, talking like you, acted like you... would you know?

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Durris t1_j1fiu9u wrote

What if you were moved while in a coma? If your consciousness was copied, how would you know. You would never experience nothingness, you would just wake up in a new place, so back to one of the old questions, what's the difference if you can't tell that anything has changed. Your consciousness is you. If your consciousness is in a copy of your body how is that not you? I'm getting the feeling that I'm having a discussion with someone who thinks that there is some component of this that involves a "soul" which is what makes them who they are as opposed to their consciousness.

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DJ_Rand t1_j1fkhhl wrote

I don't think you comprehend the argument. The argument is that even though everything else may appear to be the same, and for all intents and purposes to everyone else obersving you it would be....

But the argument people are giving you is that what if YOU are completetly DEAD. Teleporting was just an incinerator that killed you, and something exactly like you was in your place on the other side.

The argument is whether or not you would wake up or not and still get to live your life. If i am dead and dont wake up, but something else gets to live as me, that kind of makes my life moot.

If a clone of me wakes up, but the real me is instead experiencing darkness forever because of death.... thats a big difference.

Your argument is simply "but if you wake up how would you know" the point everyone else is making to you is: what if you don't wake up, and something else is now living your life instead of you?

Do you underatand that last part? That youre dead? Something else gets to live your life, while the real you never got to experience it?

Youre stuck on: yeah but its your atoms. Everyone else is stuck on: Do I, my current stream of consciousness get to continue to exist or am i basically dead and a clone of me gets to live instead?

Those are two different things. And teleportation could be either one. We don't know. People will all accept doing it if there's a way to ensure you don't just simply die and have something else live on as you.

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Durris t1_j1fnfxt wrote

"experiencing darkness forever" so it is an afterlife issue for you. I'm not talking about atoms being copied, I specified consciousness. An exact copy of your consciousness is you.

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DJ_Rand t1_j1fqaln wrote

Nothing to do with afterlife. Its to emphasize that whatever is after death is likely what youll experience. You are arguing what many scientists consider wrong/impossible. That even though "you" reformed might be all the same atoms, which poses its own problems in transporting just the atoms alone, but many scientists believe the person that gets reformed isnt actually you. You would not be the teleported person. Itd be a new you. Pre-teleport you, dead. In the grand scheme, assuming you don't mind being dead, then you are right, it wouldn't matter and your clones wouldn't know the difference. I guess it just matters if you mind dying and letting a copy live in your place.

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Durris t1_j1frmpl wrote

Why are you going on about the possibility of this happening in a question that is based on the premise of this being a reality? We are supposing that you can be copied, and that you are your consciousness. The transportation of matter isn't even important to this question so stop talking about atoms. You can experience nothing so that isn't a concern either. It all boils down to, are you your consciousness and if that consciousness is moved or copied, are you still you.

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DJ_Rand t1_j1fs9ui wrote

The guy you originally responded to said he would never trust a teleporter because it wouldnt be him. You're the only one going on about the possibility of your consciousness being copied as still being you. As if you can't understand what a copy means. Last response from me. Have a good one.

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Durris t1_j1fu3ni wrote

and I asked him about an exact copy of his consciousness. You lose continuity with reality every single day but I assume you don't have any issues with that or believing that you are still you despite you being a little different each and every time you regain consciousness. If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, are you still you.

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NapsterUlrich t1_j1fejjr wrote

Hey, if they can 100% without a doubt prove that they can transfer my consciousness over when teleporting with no issues, then hell yeah, why not. I just don’t believe it will be possible

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Durris t1_j1fetlu wrote

Definitely agree that it is far fetched and definitely will be long after our lifetimes if it ever does become possible. Just a fun question since the ethics of science are so important to debate before the product becomes a reality since things get so much more complicated once we have access to the immense power that science can bring us.

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NapsterUlrich t1_j1fewwu wrote

I’m sure 100 years ago, the idea of someone walking on the moon was just as crazy, so who knows what the future will bring

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Yoconn t1_j1fbzbg wrote

Oof, imagine if when death comes, its literally just eternal dark and nothingness with an endless feeling of consciousness.

Teleporting results in this, but noones knows till it happens, but you will never be able to warn people.

Fun thoughts

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KingfisherDays t1_j1fazrh wrote

Isn't that broken when you sleep, or when you get knocked out? I'm not sure that's the biggest issue with teleportation

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strvgglecity t1_j1f951e wrote

Ditto on never ever. It is as fictional as Star Trek's replicator.

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whitehowl t1_j1f921e wrote

Nope unless we're in some type of Nier-esque global apocolypse where humanity is digitally uploaded into a super computer

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interlopenz t1_j1fc1s1 wrote

Just remember that humans burn gasoline to turn a shaft to do work.

That's where we're at so just marginally ahead of a monkey with a bone.

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k984 t1_j1f7333 wrote

Like with a bus pass, maybe similar to in Ringworld? Possibly never. We haven't discovered how to transfer mass that way.

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[deleted] t1_j1f8raq wrote

After we're visited by advanced aliens? I don't think we have the slightest clue right now how to even begin researching teleportation.

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SpinningOnTheFloor t1_j1f9m1g wrote

There’s the moral dilemma’s too. If you have cancer and walk into a teleporter…should it put the cancer back when you’re reconstructed?

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adisharr t1_j1fbjwu wrote

Is that really a dilemma though? Probably an extra cost.

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Words_Are_Hrad t1_j1fcxod wrote

Uhh if we had such technology something tells me the only people who had cancer where the ones who didn't want it removed.

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Thin-Limit7697 t1_j1fd3un wrote

This is not a moral dilemma, in my opinion. Because the answer is obviously yes, since trying to modify the teleported being during the teleport risks causing more issues beyond the cancer.

On the other hand, if the medical knowledge evolves enough to make such "fix" possible, then it would probably be available in another way. Or at least, the healing teleport would be offered as a specialized kind of surgery, only applied in hospitals (if they still exist).

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HouseOfLames t1_j1fa3yt wrote

Never. We might get fully immersive remote operation of a cyborg or something similar eventually, but not for many decades at least. Assuming civilization doesn’t collapse or stagnate first of course

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wizardstrikes2 t1_j1fateb wrote

Mini wormhole gates. No construction or teleportation needed.

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Outrageous-Pause6317 t1_j1fc2iz wrote

Elon has a team working on it. We’ll be transporting to mars in 3-5 years. Unless the libs ruin it. /s

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Haikouden t1_j1f89g2 wrote

Never. If it’s possible at all it’s probably either be monetarily or ethically unviable I’m guessing.

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awkwardoffspring t1_j1f92dl wrote

When our consciousness can be removed from one vessel and placed into another

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tankyogremagi t1_j1fa9a4 wrote

this and easily cloned bodies makes the most entry level of teleportation but likely. best option seems to be wormhole manipulation because you can choose a physical space as an exit. born too soon =(. prolly wont have consciousness removal easily/safely/cheaply done in the next 50 years. would so love to be wrong tho.....

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Random_dude_1980 t1_j1faan4 wrote

Killing your old self to transfer your consciousness to an essentially 3D printed copy? Yeah, Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle would seem to suggest it’s a hard no. It would be well cool though.

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ddaugherty t1_j1fb0l0 wrote

Our AI Overlords will be transferring (teleporting) themselves around and into local assets through system-wide high speed wireless systems while we hang out in our protected reservations that maintain a 2030's or so tech level.

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biofreak12 t1_j1fbqwg wrote

I’ll only trust a wormhole, if I can see the other end and also if I put body part in and out and don’t feel like something is cut off ;)

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lasvegashomo t1_j1fc4ng wrote

Probably not for many years. I seen a quantum experiment that they will able to kind of do it. Then again quantum physics just confuse me so idk

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International_Ad5500 t1_j1fcdzw wrote

I thought about that not too long ago. So my theory is that it will just be a new expensive method of travel.

Hypothetycally speaking, if we could teleport it would take a while until it became secure enough to qualified people to use and then we would need more time to make it secure for non qualified people. Take a car for example, even thought "everyone can drive a car" you still need to learn about it and new laws, rules and spaces where invented for cars to move.

Also everything would be expensive and not everyone would be able to afford it. Planes were invented 100 years ago and not everyone can afford to fly once a year, let alone when they want. And of course you need qualified people to fly the plane.

That's my take at least. Teleportation if it was invented today, and viable, not killing you during the process of teleport would take at least 100 years to be a commercial way of travel, and it would still be an expensive one.

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koolguykris t1_j1fctnt wrote

Well my 7 year old son says that he wants to be the one who invents it, so id say we're at least 20 years out.

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anoriginalinvisible t1_j1ff01v wrote

Seems like using something like neural link to tap into a bot through which you can experience the world without moving your actual body would be just about as good for most purposes.

I don’t think there’s a way to do the real thing, but who knows what we’ll learn over thousands of more years civilizing

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hoffster247 t1_j1f8x1p wrote

Considering the complications of teleportation with memories/conciousness I reckon if we're going to get teleportation it's biggest benefit will be in the freight sector- with raw materials, need iron ore moved? Don't ship it, teleport it! - need raw supplies on the moon for the permanent moon base etc etc.

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Cosmickev1086 t1_j1f9ohi wrote

Once the magnetism/mathematics it requires to make it becomes commercial, probably a few hundred years away.

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OwesYouMoney t1_j1fa8cs wrote

Even if we can make a teleporter it wouldn’t be put into use because the gov would stop it to not hurt the fossil fuel industry

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AmpEater t1_j1fbht6 wrote

Yeah yeah. Which government?

You don't think China wants a tech that makes them a superpower over the USA?

You see how quickly that thought breaks down when you....think about it?

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RedrunGun t1_j1fabnv wrote

I don't think we'll ever have teleportation, but I do think we'll have wormhole gates. My guess would be within 200 years, assuming scientific development isn't hindered.

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MuchoGrandeRandy t1_j1f82la wrote

My guess would be greater than 300 years but probably less than 2K years.

Human development is not linear nor always escalating though. We have some hurdles to clear to make it past 500 years from now and with development and population being inverse to each other, it may not be possible at all.

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