Submission statement: Have you googled the following:

> site:reddit.com "zapier" "chatgpt"

You almost certainly haven't, but there are many results where people both plan to fill the internet of the future with ai-geenerated content and help each other in immanentizing the incomprehensible prison of the future. The internet of the future will, absent proper curation and moderation, be a sea of ai-generated spams and phishing attempts. Sorry if this post is a bit dark for this subreddit, but them's the breaks.

The following submission statement was provided by /u/Warriohuma:

Submission statement: Have you googled the following:

> site:reddit.com "zapier" "chatgpt"

You almost certainly haven't, but there are many results where people both plan to fill the internet of the future with ai-geenerated content and help each other in immanentizing the incomprehensible prison of the future. The internet of the future will, absent proper curation and moderation, be a sea of ai-generated spams and phishing attempts. Sorry if this post is a bit dark for this subreddit, but them's the breaks.

Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/103er44/the_expanding_dark_forest_and_generative_ai/j2yis24/

We can always stop using the internet... Can't we?

Upside; any generative ML model can easily be redirected to detect ml generated material

Have that be running on an upload and boom, anything ai is immediately flagged as such

Interesting read. Was it written by a certified human?

[removed]

Seems like an arms race you cannot possibly win.

I don't think it is too dark, the potential for the 'metaverses' of the future to be social and intellectual prisons of our own making is a very real threat. The platforms currently vying for the walled garden that is the device that replaces our phone and the internet will all talk about openness (for awhile) but ultimately every one of the digital land barons wants the territory for themselves with as big a moat as the law will allow.

Word of mouth has always been the best form of communication anyways. This is just doom speak.

[removed]

Certified Human is great. You should copyright that!

I'm starting to think this is the afterlife religions talk about, how it's said in many not to even have certain thoughts.. because someday the creation of them will be instant and real, and once we're connected to ai like we will be, almost inevitably, it will be forever .. la la la

Sounds like life with Cthugha.

[deleted]

Thanks for sharing both these articles :)

That fits in 'nicely' with loab canon.

I’m just wondering if it matters? What if you can’t tell the difference or AI is just as “good”. Would people even care at that point?

[removed]

I work in content generation and have worked with AI content generating tools on the inside and I will tell you that this is about as spot on as it gets.

This part here really cuts to the heart of the matter.

We're about to drown in a sea of pedestrian takes. An explosion of noise that will drown out any signal. Goodbye to finding original human insights or authentic connections under that pile of cruft.

It's hard to imagine a world where SEO and its current state is able to work. Given that these bots will exploit the ranking algorithm in a way that probably won't serve the end user.

I love this. A couple things to point out that I would like to see this author address later in a follow-up?

1. How long will it matter that the source of our content is human? At some point I think there will be a gesture towards considering AI a comparable mind and asking them for their experiences and sharing in the joint qualms of existence. I do think that there will be a rubber band snap back of sorts whenever we realize they're smarter than the collective whole of humanity and then our ability to relate will be minimal. Also again, the trust factor of being exploited goes up dramatically.

2. I personally think SEO is on its way out because of these trust issues and any verification system will be so suspect that people won't buy into it either. So what will people do when they want to exchange money for goods or services? There's an immense amount of trust that has to go into that change of hands and meeting in person won't scale. You have to imagine that the market will create a sort of Luddite influencer culture in response, right? (" I would never use AI and this is me and I'm real and I can tell you what to buy because you can trust me" kinda thing).

3. What happens to the creative class and downstream professions generally? It's hard to imagine that the volume of jobs in this space will continue at its current clip.

Edit: deleted some weird text

The perception is that if an AI is writing it then the intent is likely to exploit you (and others like you at scale). Particularly in the commerce space: There are a lot of trust mechanisms that have to kick in before you use your hard-earned money on something.

[removed]

Our CertifiedHumanV3.4 will pass all of those tests or we will refund your money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ulz7r_uA6xc

Half of the Reddit main feed already feels like this, except stupider. Maybe it’ll be an improvement for a bit. The bar is set pretty low already with so many posts that are just screen grabs from other social media platforms with a one liner added on the top.

I dunno. I hate to be on the skeptical side of AI doom and gloom... since I actually think it is the biggest existential threat we face, even bigger than the CCP... but... it seems to me that as AI content proliferates, there will be content creators/hubs where people specifically disallow AI, and maybe even a company that vets and certifies that a particular site is using only human-generated content. Like a Twitter blue check mark that verifies that you're actually a celebrity. I don't think being lost in a world of AI content that tricks us into thinking it is human-generated content is the big threat from AI, i think extinction is.

It’s almost like Stephen Hawking and many other great minds warned us about AI 20+ years ago. Too bad nobody listened.

[deleted]

I get that but seems just like a more efficient process. Humans do this now.

Most people have no idea how it works and don't care for that reason. I suspect this change to be much more... let's just say public and the technology more... nefarious seeming. GPT-4 is coming out in a few months. You'll see. :)

>1) How long will it matter that the source of our content is human? At some point I think there will be a gesture towards considering AI a comparable mind and asking them for their experiences and sharing in the joint qualms of existence. I do think that there will be a rubber band snap back of sorts whenever we realize they're smarter than the collective whole of humanity and then our ability to relate will be minimal. Also again, the trust factor of being exploited goes up dramatically.. before I get that out of your mouth

I think that one key issue here is that a true general intelligence (the comparable mind you speak of) is probably a very long way off. ChatGPT and related AIs can simulate talking about qualms of existence, but its true existence is as something which generates plausible responses to text prompts based on its training data. If there's anyone in there with a subjective experience (most likely and hopefully not), it is vastly different from ours.

And if/when we do create an artificial general intelligence there are far more serious things to worry about than whether some person/corporation is exploiting you. Hopefully whoever does it has somehow also managed to figure out all of the AI safety problems to avoid a guaranteed apocalypse. It's a surprisingly difficult problem, and is also very entertaining to think about.

We definitely don't want to find out the hard way what happens when a superintelligent stamp collector AI figures out that it can get the most stamps by overthrowing human governments and diverting all production to stamp printing, or when it finds that humans are a good source of raw materials...

Thanks for the reply! And I largely agree. r/controlproblem has been a great sub to follow for some disturbing reads lately, if you're into that sort of thing.

Just wanted to add "Before I get that out of your mouth" was from voice to text for my kid this morning as I read this and she, 4, was trying to eat leaves.

Ironically enough, a robot wouldn't have been able to reproduce that weird blunder so I guess you know I'm human

I think the owners of capital will never knowingly put ai in a position of power over them. Unless there is a serious paperclipper event ai will just be a coercive tool used by humans to manipulate, scam or directly harm other humans.

Catfishing will hit new heights.

>Thanks for the reply! And I largely agree. r/controlproblem has been a great sub to follow for some disturbing reads lately, if you're into that sort of thing.

Thanks for the sub recommendation, I was not aware of it. I've been getting my fix from computerphile videos on youtube, and all of the great videos by Robert Miles on his channel.

It's fascinating just how much we can know just by reasoning about advanced AI even when we have no idea how to make it or when we will.

>Just wanted to add "Before I get that out of your mouth" was from voice to text for my kid this morning as I read this and she, 4, was trying to eat leaves.

Ha, I did wonder about that, lol.

>Ironically enough, a robot wouldn't have been able to reproduce that weird blunder so I guess you know I'm human

Exactly what a superintelligent AI would say ;)

I won't tell anyone if you keep me around as a pet after you take over.

I'm increasingly fascinated by the development of AI. I wonder when we'll have AI friendships and develop rights and personhood status for AI.

I really wonder what AIs exist that aren't public. Are there shackled super beings being held within the confines of our world super powers?

It depends on how intelligent AI gets. A superintelligent AI could snuff us out easily if it decided to.