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CabinetDear3035 t1_j35aucz wrote

So we will be healthier/happier with ai art and music as it snuffs out our creativity ?

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thebestmtgplayer OP t1_j35ua7l wrote

"snuffing out" as in the same way as television, photography and smartphone technology do? Yes.

Actually reducing it? No. The way we use it will change, not to what avail. AI is one more tool, at least for the time being.

And yes, I do believe that this will eventually result in a more developed society. (which I hope will lead to more happiness, unless everyone keeps worrying about what ifs instead of enjoying life)

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Spork-y t1_j3d7ptf wrote

I would consider that while I do agree that artificial intelligence has the capability of being a beneficial tool to society, it also has just as much potential to be society's greatest downfall. As an example I've used before, a pencil is a great tool for writing up until you stab someone in the eye with it. Then at that point, it becomes a weapon. The simple fact is that part of human nature is in itself greed, and people will take advantage of any helpful tool they can in order to hurt others.

Yes, the advent of television, photography, and smartphone technology exist, but they don't snuff out creativity like you said they would. When the photograph was first invented it became a revolutionary tool and a creative passageway like it still is today. The introduction of film and television introduced new forms of acting and new ways to broadcast it to larger audiences, increasing the range and importance of film. Smartphones even now allow for photography on a much larger scale which broadens the number of artists and people with access to artistic avenues even more. We can even upload our work to billions of people with a single tap of the thumb. The problem with your argument is that these things snuff out art in the same way AI does, but that isn't true. A camera can't take a picture, let alone a good one, without an artist pressing the button and choosing how it's taken. A television can't create the shows it plays, and wouldn't even be worth buying if it weren't for the millions of artists willing to create the work it displays. Smartphones would only be bricks of information if it weren't for artists being willing to populate websites with their work. The point is, these items and inventions are tools and art forms. AI can too serve that purpose, yet the issue is that it isn't. The problem is that AI doesn't need an artist to create. Sure, the models are trained with our copyrighted work, but it would do the same exact things using non-copyrighted work from the library of congress. You can't even argue that "well it needs a human to give it a prompt first" because there's also nothing stopping anyone from hooking up a word-generator to an AI art model and letting all hell break loose. AI art strives to solve a problem that doesn't exist I.E the creation of art, and in the process strives to remove an entire subset of people. Yeah sure, I can switch to traditional art, but there's nothing stopping anyone from taking a picture of it and making a copy, the same way the Mona Lisa and Starry Night have been. The only difference now is that I'm living and breathing but the artists of those pieces have long since been dead.

Companies will use this new technology to avoid paying for employees, which will decrease the number of jobs and greatly increase the already growing number of homeless on the streets. People don't consider it, but artists legitimately make just about everything we use. This is because artists include fashion designers, architects, various engineers, web designers, etc. It's a larger profession than people are wanting to realize. And if a computer can just be used to replace us for a cheaper but faster product that "cuts out the middle man," the big corporations that pay a lot of us are going to be more than willing to buy into it. Right now it's artists that are at risk, but later on, it will be writers, YouTubers, programmers, engineers, and politicians even. It's only just the beginning. This is not the kind of utopia you're dreaming of. Development can equally become the downfall of man. The only way the utopia you're describing would ever exist is one where money doesn't exist and no one has to work or own a business- and simply put, this will never happen. As long as humans have the ability to feel hate and greed, there will always be people wanting something and people willing to do anything in order to get it, even at the cost of everyone else around them.

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Quanlib t1_j365t85 wrote

You’re clearly not a career artist or musician. There’s nothing AI can currently produce like the organic expression of actual human artists, yet it’s already cutting into these artists financial abilities to exist. If we were all to just be cool with it, it’d only be a matter of time before no one was there to create anymore. AI is turning art into a commodity more so then corporations already have. It’s a tool that seems intentionally designed to undercut artists where they’re already hurting- their bank accounts.

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World_May_Wobble t1_j389ajx wrote

>There’s nothing AI can currently produce like the organic expression of actual human artists

If that were the case, you'd think it would be easier to tell what is and isn't AI generated art, but people are routinely failing at this in both directions.

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Quanlib t1_j38i372 wrote

First of all- Organic expression isn’t meant to be interchangeable with quality. There’s a ton of bad art out there lol. But to be fair- not everyone’s literacy and understanding of specific arts are on the same field of understanding. Subjectivity of the end consumer plays a major role in constituting someone’s concept of quality. The fact that ai is blurring the lines between ai curated art and human creative expression is problematic- but organic expression can’t exist in AI by definition.

edit for a point

The takeaway from my point was supposed to be- even in AI’s infancy, it’s negatively effecting artists now.

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World_May_Wobble t1_j392jpw wrote

I misinterpreted you to mean that it felt soulless. But whether the consumer sees the soul in a piece has more to do with them than the artist.

In any case, yes. Artists are bound to be negatively influenced, and I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone with the receipts to show how their commissions fell off a cliff. I'm sure it's happening for a lot of people.

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