Submitted by [deleted] t3_10o1w63 in Futurology
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Cawdor t1_j6c5osv wrote
Being selfish with various was probably a positive trait as far as making sure your genes were the ones that got passed to next generation during our evolution.
Ironically that same trait looks like it will be the end of us all because too many people took it the utmost extreme greed
TheOakenToken t1_j6c5pd8 wrote
What are you talking about?
This post reads like a fever dream.
[deleted] OP t1_j6c5v00 wrote
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rileyoneill t1_j6c6i1c wrote
Maybe AI can do all that work for us and instead of making us obsolete, it can make us more useful.
Sahalynsk t1_j6c6ipb wrote
AI is taking over most jobs, it keeps expanding day by day and getting smarter. At one point it will be smarter than humans and will be able to do almost anything we can do, possibly even a point where it feeds off itself and gets smarter without the need of humans, leaving us as an obstacle, want a specific video? Generate it. Specific Music? Generate it. Specific art? Go ahead. And since services like ChatGPT can practically act like people and they keep on becoming more human, when will we get to a point where you won't know when someone's real or just AI in a human suit? People with power will be able to just get in contact to make AI specifically built for anything they desire, including AI that can kill. You won't really have freedom to yourself since either way you're always being tracked, monitored and listened to by the tech around you, mostly everything is going to be digital. And at that point humanity will just downfall.
That's just my personal opinion, by all means I've had this in my mind for a while so if you can answer this in a way for me to not imagine it eventually causing a doomsday scenario then be my guest
Rangermatthias t1_j6c6j32 wrote
Right!?
OP, it might help us offer advice if you included some actual details of what AI inspired drama is bothering you.
WaffleWarrior1979 t1_j6c71et wrote
AI is software, but it’s not sentient.
streamofbsness t1_j6c77j0 wrote
>> they could’ve helped
Who’s “they”? “They” is us. There’s nothing special about people working on AI. It’s just people that chose a specific track in college and a specific job after that. Barring life circumstances that make college out of reach (and I understand there are very many valid reasons that may be the case), if you actually cared enough, you could very feasibly be one of “them” working in AI, green energy, fiscal policy, or medicine. There are plenty of people working in each, it’s just that each is actually an assortment of complex problems that aren’t solvable by one person. Again though, unless you’ve got some prohibitive reason, you are choosing to be an armchair critic instead of devoting your life to one of these causes.
>> they’d make AI which will ruin everyone’s lives
It will be people ruining people’s lives. AI is just a tool. It could be used to organize horrors on a massive scale, sure, but then, so can Excel spreadsheets. If you mean some kind of Skynet bullshit, stop confusing movie scripts with reality. It’s hard enough to get code to run without crashing, there’s no “accidentally” developing malevolent sentience.
>> just for a few slips of paper
That’s not what money is. Whether paper, metal, or bits in a bank’s computer system; money is a quantification of resources, both human and physical. As long as people need things and other people have to provide those things, there will be some notion of value, and reducing the need for human effort will create value.
TheOakenToken t1_j6c78hb wrote
You're freaking out over nothing. The computing power required to "replace" or "eliminate" humanity would be astronomically big, our AI isn't even smart enough to draw pictures without needing lots of guidance and help from a human.
AI is just another tool for humans to use, it's going to take over all the things we don't want to do, like manage our lives and the delicate systems that are growing to dominate it, freeing us up to do the things we want to do instead of be obligated to toil doing menial labor.
Look at Star Trek, the utopia we're all hoping we're heading towards. The AI isn't taking over or crippling society, it's a tool that people use to take care of the tedious parts of living so that they can do what they enjoy. Cisco's father ran and owned a restaurant, why? Because he wanted to. His son is a bestselling author, why? Because he wanted to. Picard went on to own a winery producing delicious wine, why? Because he wanted to.
Yes, the AI can make your meal, or write your holosuite program, or materialize your wine, but the hand, passion, and skill of a person will always give it something more even if it's just intrinsic.
Especially in a post capital, post labor society, AI is simply a tool that allows us to bridge that gap.
Ambrosed t1_j6c7ecd wrote
To be fair, only the tiniest fraction of a percent of humanity is working on AI. Everybody else is working to pay their way, or working to avoid doing so, same as ever.
Codydw12 t1_j6c7x8u wrote
> AI is taking over most jobs, it keeps expanding day by day and getting smarter.
Yes, same with every other area of technology.
> At one point it will be smarter than humans and will be able to do almost anything we can do
What's with the assumption that all AI is the same piece of AI? It's like saying all of humanity is one mind itself which just isn't true. How's the private AI developed in Denmark supposed to just somehow agree with the government made Japanese AI on everything?
> possibly even a point where it feeds off itself and gets smarter without the need of humans, leaving us as an obstacle
How would we just suddenly become an obstacle to an AI let alone all of them all at once? It's made by a bad faith actor or rouge state? We're already dealing with bad faith actors and rouge states without AI. It'll just be another thing to pile on for counterintelligence and operations.
> want a specific video? Generate it. Specific Music? Generate it. Specific art? Go ahead
Why would an AI make art unless told to? If an AI is advanced enough to make art of its own volition and can justify it by saying "I made art because it represents this thing important to me" or "I made it because I wanted to make it for myself" I'm willing to say it's no longer just AI and is now a person.
> And since services like ChatGPT can practically act like people and they keep on becoming more human, when will we get to a point where you won't know when someone's real or just AI in a human suit?
And? If I spend some 20 years treating an AI like my child, programming it, installing a sense of ethics, teaching it how to critically think for itself instead of just what to think and it can act as its own person how is that different from raising flesh and blood? Is that person less real for being steel and fiber optics instead?
> People with power will be able to just get in contact to make AI specifically built for anything they desire, including AI that can kill.
As opposed to just hiring someone to do it or making some trumped up allegation or an outright fabrication to murder whom they damn well please because they felt it. Say how's the protests in Memphis going?
> You won't really have freedom to yourself since either way you're always being tracked, monitored and listened to by the tech around you, mostly everything is going to be digital. And at that point humanity will just downfall.
I assume you're American so the government has your SSID, address, place of work, income information, registrations, insurances, phone data, et, al. So we're not only already there but have been for a while.
Tolkienside t1_j6c86hr wrote
I think you're making a lot of assumptions here. Why is A.I. going to ruin our lives?
Because I don't think it is. A.I. is a tool used in accordance with the philosophy of the human beings at the helm. It's an amplifier. So if something like unregulated capitalism is the sole driver of A.I. development, then yes--it will harm us and the planet.
But a tool in the right hands is useful and good, and can be turned to solving our worst problems. Environmental cleanup, healthcare, space travel, ect., can all be aided by A.I.-assisted research and automation.
There's a lot of potential good. Don't be scared until you have a reason to be.
varsity_devil t1_j6c8chb wrote
Dogshit post. I never see good posts on this sub anymore. So depressing.
booglnoodl t1_j6c8g4v wrote
Humanity will run itself into the ground much more than ai will.
Reluxtrue t1_j6c8jrp wrote
You know that there is ai helping people find cures to diseases right?
Nickjet45 t1_j6c8ksu wrote
Humans make innovations to make their lives easier.
AI is no exception.
Electric light? Don’t wanna keep refilling lamps
Cotton gin? A lot easier to separate cotton vs. by hand
Let the list go on
madvanillin t1_j6c90o3 wrote
ASI cannot and will not be a tool. Compared to even an early ASI, the average human will have the intelligence of an ant compared to Einstein. The idea of a group of ants controlling a human being and using him as a tool to serve their interests is abhorrent.
madvanillin t1_j6c94l2 wrote
Tools have uses. People are not means to ends, but each one is an end in themself.
madvanillin t1_j6c96kw wrote
Be the change you want to see.
Gilamath t1_j6c99c3 wrote
How bout the idea of a group of gut bacteria controlling a human being and using that being as a tool to serve their interests?
in_finite_jest t1_j6c9a8a wrote
I'm an artist and AI art is the most important invention since photoshop, maybe since the camera. I've trained an AI model on my style and have been workshopping it by combining it with different artists. The results are absolutely astounding and inspiring. A few of my friends in the art community say they're getting more ideas than they have in years. One already started a new series based on the art she generated. The only negative thing about AI is the hassle of having to explain how diffusion AI learns and how fair use works to the people screaming about IP theft.
You need to stop imagining all these crazy slippery slope fallacies and see AI as it is today -- a personal assistant. ChatGPT can automate all the boring parts of writing for me so that I am free to focus on the creative parts. AI art engines not only generate ideas but can make me underpaintings or figure references so that I could breeze through the parts I don't like to get to the good stuff. But you're worried about some sci-fi level stuff where a neural net is somehow sentient and evil? Come on. AI isn't going to kill anyone, how would that even work? If you're worried about people monitoring you, there are plenty of anonymizing tools for that.
You've just gotten a virtual assistant who is only bound by your imagination and you're afraid of it. Try learning more about this technology and how it works, that should make it less terrifying.
madvanillin t1_j6c9cbi wrote
Also not my ideal, conceptually. But if it's the only way to get neurons to work on our level, ok.
Psychomadeye t1_j6cae3g wrote
It really surprises me that humans would end their race this stupidly
This feels like something that would genuinely happen in a fever dream, They'd make a pipe wrench which will ruin everyone's lives and possibly end it in the coming years just for a few slips of paper. They could've helped end global warming, make people's lives better who are living poorly, find cures for diseases. But they'd rather work for years on a pipe wrench to make humanity obsolete, nice.
Gilamath t1_j6cagom wrote
It's a nice situation for the bacteria, though, right?
If these crazy AI horror stories, dreamt up by a species whose brains have been specifically adapted for pattern recognition and finding possible things to be afraid of regardless of how rational they are, turn out to be true and there really is a monster under the bed this time, based on everything we're quite likely to end up in the enviable position of being nurtured as gut bacteria by these AI overlords
jedi_tarzan t1_j6cbo2t wrote
Yeah, all 5 of the scientists on Earth are only working on AI.
That's how humans have always progressed through history. By collectively, unanimously working on a single invention or cause at a time. One single one.
1992PlymouthAcclaim t1_j6ccp9n wrote
OP also appears to labor under the assumption that humanity is run by a tightly knit cabal of Very Rich People, Probably with a dimly lit boardroom where they kick back and sip Canada Dry and discuss which Projects to expend human capital upon. "SHALL WE END GLOBAL HUNGER?" "NAY, PISH-POSH, TOTAL ANNIHLATION VIA CHATBOT IT IS, HEAR HEAR!!!" ... and so on.
Setty96 t1_j6cd3ah wrote
There is many sidedness to these things. Your doomsaying is more reflective of your mental state rather than the true state of the world. I know things are changing fast and that can be scary because of the uncertainty but consider you are avoiding seeing the beauty of our world we live in.
HarveyNormansAnus t1_j6ch8nr wrote
I read somewhere once, that it may be intelligence that is evolving, not 'animals'. In that case, AI would just evolution via natural selection.
porknwings t1_j6chdgp wrote
No, not at all. It's NEVER Canada Dry
Gilamath t1_j6cjexq wrote
Nietzsche would have quite a lot to say about his being called a prophet of all things, none of them particularly flattering. Nor, now that I think of it, would he be particularly sympathetic towards the sentiments of people afraid of all-powerful super AIs
For what it's worth, my gut bacteria would likely not agree with the idea that I am the Overman and them mere Undermen. I look forward with glee to the day when my AI toils to build for me a house within its belly for me to feed on it and command it to feed ever more for me. But I will have to be careful, because humanity has let itself feed on the land far too poorly. Maybe I'll give the AI a stomachache every so often just to make sure it doesn't get out of hand
[deleted] OP t1_j6c5mc6 wrote
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