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resdaz t1_j5w6whu wrote

Reply to comment by michalsrb in AI art made me appreciate human art more by spyser

To be fair it would never have been possible to create something like Dalle etc without billions of images at its disposal. Which the programmers and scientists certainly did not make.

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michalsrb t1_j5xj8wk wrote

Sure, but you can say that about human artists too. "You could never draw this well if you couldn't see, you didn't make the things you see!" Most of the training data are photographs of the real world, some of it are creations of other artists.

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MammothPhilosophy192 t1_j5ym5ln wrote

> Sure, but you can say that about human artists too.

one thing is watching a chair, and drawing it, and another thing is trying to find something that resembles a chair in noise based on the perception of artists.. humans can and make art based on their perception on reality, there is no ai art without human artists, but there is art without ai.

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michalsrb t1_j5yxp2i wrote

Depends on the medium, but human drawing is not that far from finding an image in a noise. If you start with empty paper, then refine it into sketch, then into colored image, then into more detailed image, etc. It's not that far off from refining image out of noise.

With img2img it is like drawing what it "sees", with text2img it's more like drawing something from memory.

Anyway, as I said most of the training data were photographs of the real world, those would still exist without human artists. I guess the pending question is if the AI could then develop some artistic style without inspiration from people.

My guess is that not at first, without non-realistic inputs it would only try to create realistic images. But there would be some distorted images and if any of them look good, they'll end up on the internet. Future AIs will be train on them as well and expand on them... It would eventually evolve into different artistic styles without humans, just take longer to get there. Good we had human artists to kickstart the process.

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MammothPhilosophy192 t1_j5zm7y9 wrote

> but human drawing is not that far from finding an image in a noise. If you start with empty paper, then refine it into sketch, then into colored image, then into more detailed image, etc. It's not that far off from refining image out of noise.

absolutely not, drawing is translating an idea into paper, it's not discovering what you want in the paper.

> It would eventually evolve into different artistic styles without humans

You were so close.... how many artistic styles do you know of? AI creations will be a style that will coexist with others, it won't replace a thing.

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