Submitted by Spiritual-Flower155 t3_10nmu4l in Futurology
i have had this question for quite a while now and i want to hear what some people believe. I truly believe that AI video games have essentially unlimited possibilities and i am curious of what yall believe.
I talk about this subject alot recently, but heres a couple of things:
1- Infinite quest generation
2- Ability to communicate with NPC's like real humans (chatGPT)
3- Ability to create levels, characters, art. Basically infinite content/dlc
This is just a few things It will be able to do, and since chatGPT is here, Im hoping within a few years we will have AI NPC's that make their own decisions and constantly evolve.
Someone recently added chat gpt to mount and blade bannerlord via a mod, you are able to talk to the npcs by typing your response
I saw it, now add "TTS" with different voices, and you got yourself a fully voiced game that reads out whatever the NPC's say, alot of streamers, namely forsen, has many different AI trained TTS models, like obi-wan, obama, santa...etc.
Atrioc used ChatGPT to write a rap about Balloon TD I style of Eminem and then used a voice program to make him read it up.
Imagine Leisure Suit Larry with chat gpt. Damn I’m old
Yea I feel like AI is gonna make things like this and music industry severely suffer when it comes to jobs.
On the music side, if they can get AI to produce good enough music, lyrics, mixing etc, they will 100% do whatever they can to take more credit/not have to do pay anyone for music production, royalty payouts to anyone, etc. And can just collect all the revenue.
For games, sure it would be great for the product and consumers but not good economically.
id say game devs would be more inclined to make better games from that point, because games will last much longer, and i wager the price of games will go up to 70 or even 80$ at that point.
what will really help consumers will be the modding community taking full advantage of the new AI features
Though on the other hand. Once it gets easier to greate, voices, pictures, movies, etc. people might create a full fledged movie by themselves which they couldn't do before because of all of the expenses.
Do you think we'll ever get enemies that can flank properly, or will that forever remain a quirk of history limited to F.E.A.R. back in 2004?
That's my question.
We could do that now, though I didn't think we did as players like dumb ai thye can God mow down
When u make your enemy intelligence young adults with guns no one would survive in a game one against 5 anymore. But maybe a strategic game could do where you are one vs one at most 2. There is nearly 0 chance when the best navy seal wins a shoot out against 10 ill trained machine gun wielding pleps.
Unless stealth 🥷 is in the game.
Yea but you can train the AI to not punish the player too much, and maybe sometime make the enemy take the wrong decision on purpose whitouth passing the dumb line or make the player awaree of it.
An AI properly trainer can do that and can even see that based on you confidence to the game (all your input whit keyboard and mouse see how you react), and decide if you put down the guard for boredom or overconfidence to strike you back, to preserve your engagement and not make you loose the attention to the game.
The possibility are big,wide and really interesting.
That is what I was trying to say , they can make a great ai, but they knowingly dumb down it to make it fun and inline with other games
I'm completely convinced in about 10-15 years, all entertainment will be generated on the fly by AI.
Sit down at your playstation 7, put in a text prompt. "Open world 3d game in the style of Dark Souls, Breath of the Wild, but with aliens set in outer space station, influenced by Last of Us, with music in the style of the Ramones." Start playing 10 min later. I bet full length movies happen around the same time frame.
Maybe. But there's something nice about having an experience that has common elements with other people so you can talk about these shared experiences. But photorealistic graphics, perfectly responsive music, lifelike worlds with effectively infinite depth and dynamism, truly responsive NPCs and infinite and meaningful character customisation are more likely uses.
I agree, the human connection is important. Also people value human-created things more than AI-created ones. AI-generated art does not fetch high prices, at least not yet.
Yea, like ChatGPT feels very realistic, and yet just knowing it’s an AI makes talking to it in the normal way really boring vs talking to a real person. I use it as a tool now for getting other work done
it won’t be text prompt, it’ll just simply know what you like on a deeper level than what you can type.
then comes some-human-in-a-period-of-time-before-this-while-humans-still-make-media making a Black-Mirror-esque plot where what appears to be some awesome portal fantasy adventure the main character goes on is actually just their AI warping a simulated world (whether it's a world that was simulated all along or AI secretly putting them in one when they had this idea) so that as soon as they had some fleeting thought about the kind of game that would be cool or w/e they were literally living the game
That movie's is gonna be wild
So what got me to look into AI and go into an existential crisis about one of my jobs being obsolete now was a really interesting mod for Crusader Kings 3 in development. For those who aren’t familiar it’s a strategy game focused on characters who are rulers in the Middle Ages. Someone is building a mod to get Chatgpt to roleplay as the characters in the game, taking into account the characters traits, opinion of the player character, and memories into account to make interacting with characters more organic. If they can get that to work and based on the screenshots it looks like they have made good progress that would revolutionize RPGs.
The problem with AI is that nothing it makes is ever really “infinite.” It has to be trained on human behavior/information so its inherently limited. If it’s somehow implemented for “infinite quest generation” it’s just gonna end up giving you variations of the types of quests we’ve had for decades. AI isn’t capable of creativity.
Isn’t much of what humans do also derivative. Only the rare artist truly breaks new ground and then the rest follow on for awhile with derivative works.
Its the same with people though, you only know how to speak language because of other people teaching you.
Humans are just algorithms. We take in content and data and produce slightly different content and data. All these comments that AI won't replace human creativity are ridiculously naive.
Yea, it isnt infinite in the way the Busy Beaver problem means that 'eventually you'll try every possible combination'
But you cant tell me "Blood Manos" is not a stroke of comedic genius, that AI came up with !!over 7 years ago!!
yeesh I cant believe it has been that long.
>It has to be trained on human behavior/information so its inherently limited
That is kindof meaningless though isn't it? There isnt infinite books you can write with 1,000,000,000,000 words but effectively there is when it comes to humans since even spending 1 second on each book would take 31,688 years to go through.
With something like an image AI if it learns an apple and a hat it has now learned more than 2 things. It has hats, apples, apples wearing hats, hats shaped like apples, etc...
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It can get very creative with the way it makes things in the end and although there is technically a limitation, it's not something to care about since you will never in your life come close to exhausting it. It can create brand new styles for example since all styles are taken from previous styles/elements and you can even use embeddings to prove it to yourself since you can take a style it wasnt trained on then train an embedding for it (embeddings dont add any new info to the network and are more like searching it for a style then putting those terms and weights into a concise tag)
This actually reassures me, I don’t want it to outright replace human creativity.
I also don’t want “infinite quest generation” for the most part. I like being able to actually finish a refined, tailor-made experience by one developer, and move onto another.
I'd like to see text input written by the player instead of fixed choices. Basically using ChatGPT when talking to NPCs.
This would be really cool. Go back to a town you've been to and realize you've developed a reputation for having sex with literally everybody.
"You're here again? It would be better to go outside and get some exercise."
this is something i would truly love to see
This is already possible with NovelAI. Authoring your own text adventures and filling in the details of the world alongside the AI is an incredible feeling.
I'd second this with character.ai
AI has been used to upscale pre-rendered backgrounds from old RPG games like the PSX Final Fantasy games.
I have used both Stable Diffusion and ChatGPT in my game project. My game is mainly UI based so it's all flat, but the image AI is really limited and you need to alter it allot and run it in iteration to guide it into a good result.
I have used ChatGPT to help me brainstorm new ideas and some story guidance.
If you want to see how it looks, check my latest post to see the Steam page ^^
What couldn't it do? Eventually there will be programs, not games. You'll make the games yourself with minimal prompting. Want an Abe Lincoln hack and slash with no escort missions? Sure, the first one won't be what you want, but the second will be closer. User generated content isn't going away, but neither is the rise of personal gameplay customization. Think sliders for QTE frequency, stealth sensitivity, amount of lore, number of endings, scale of locations... We will soon be able to play exactly the game we want.
Imagine saying "hey xbox I want to play as like skywalker in a full trench war scenario on coroscant" and it just makes.
We still need the processing power to generate that, though. We can manage a still image on the fly. But keeping track of a coherent world and all the assets within is many orders of magnitude greater.
Yeah but this us an 'imagine If' scenario.
I'm looking forward to typing in Half Life: Alyx with Borderlands style graphics and playing exactly that and other neat combinations of games
Maybe if we type half-life 3, the AI will implode.
I think the things that will come first will be automated art. It starts with concept art creation but I believe that we will soon see usable 3D mesh generators, so you put in a prompt like "creepy alien with claws and a tail" and get a 3D mesh out of it. AI chats like many people here suggested are obviously possible with things like GPT, but at the end all of this has to be linked back to game logic. When an NPC talks with you that he saw something at some place in the world, the game also should generate something interesting that you can discover in that location. I don't think there are solutions for this yet but I don't see why it can not happen. The problem is always that you need huge train sets to create those generative models and there just do not exist train sets for things like levels, quest or so, so we will have to see if people figure out smart ways to solve this.
There are a few ways:
I'm sure there are plenty more but these are the first 10 I can think of
Gameplay :
Interacting with NPC that feel more human
Fighting character that doesn't move in a stupid specific pattern
A whole universe that is influenced by the player choice like a butterly effect
Game developer :
AI as tester to find bug
Enchanced procedural content generation
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AI can produce a near impossibly difficult enemy ai that can dynamically adjust to your playstyle.
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Generating a game with graphical, music and sound assets from a text prompt.
"Make a game in a new genre that doesn't exist yet, with an immersive world with engaging NPCs."
One idea- ChatGPT like AI could be integrated into games that are already out. The NPCs decisions and dialogue could be generated and imported live.
There’s no limits.
Basically it’s just a matter of what makes the monkey laugh and clap.
More than likely AI will be used to fine tune gatcha mechanics, micro transactions, loot boxes and other forms of "not gambling " mechanics in the AAA sector while also formalizing and standardizing "witty" dialog to save paid hours. It may also be used to generate royalty free art assets to reduce production (and not the end product's) cost . Best case scenario, it will flood the market and cause a 1980's style crash that will revitalize the industry.
Okay, so this starts to make clear how we are really in a simulation ourselves. The Big Bang wasn’t really what started it all, it was the invention of Ai that started spawning a simulation continuously expanding, with what seems like an infinite amount of stars etc…
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Just a hunch but I think it will have to help in development due to gamers wanting product faster and games becoming more demanding and therefore needing more manpower without it. Maybe it's already being used in some aspects, I have no direct info on that.
It just seems like it is or will be necessary soon in the development of them.
I could count on 17 fingers the things A.I. could do for video games …
I think infinite quest generation is already a thing with random number generators. Randomly interesting storylines would be something else. But randomness already gives a lot of interest.
I think creating characters and having their animations, textures, and hit boxes setup would be a massive time saver. That stuff is a pain in the ass.
There's little stuff like voice work where a voice actor could lease out a digital profile of their voice and it would significantly less work.
Imagine a game where the AI hunted you, would be pretty amazing. So much potential… I can’t wait!
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Funny you mention this. When im bored waiting for dark and darker, I've been using chatgpt to generate text adventures. Quite imaginative.
Last one had a spell ethereal walk, not only was it smart enough to allow me to enter buildings, but bypass traps on a chest.
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There will be more programmatically generated content. No Man's Sky is a good example of a game that's almost entirely driven by AI. It's the only real choice for games that big (it'd be impossible for humans to design millions of unique planets with all the creatures, etc.). The upcoming Starfield may very well be one of the last games of this scale that uses individually created environments.
Actually, people are starting to design AI systems that can "create" 3d assets using only text as input -- these assets could theoretically be used for video games.
Dream-fusion is an initial example of this: https://dreamfusion3d.github.io/
Even some basic fight, flight, and group organization tactics for MOBs would be nice in a lot of PvE
There's already a game almost completely AI generated.
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You might want to Read or Listen to Completionist Chronicles by Dakota Krout. This series has some pretty good AI Mechanics behind it and it's also a good series on top of all that or at least I think so.
Check this out, a game that widely utilizes AI.
Generative content on the fly sounds insane to me.
I saw a study that used games to make difficult choices (for example, ethical questions such as who to kill: a young man, a woman or a baby) and those playing the game (knowingly) would make an anonymous choice, which aids AI in answering such moral questions. In a Utopia where UBI and resource equity exists powered by AI and bots, people's main jobs would consist of helping answer such questions to guide the AI, hopefully through very entertaining, generative AI games.
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Firstly AI will be used to work faster, to create scenes faster, to furnish them like images from many angles, and then later to synthesize entire world spaces, game engine companies like unreal and Nvidia will have some draw-your-scene tools which are like diffusion iamges except in 3D. The render times will be slow for this decade, although once the scene is created it can be saved and perhaps takes 1 hour to do previously 1000 man hours of work, so indies will be doing AAA games.
Video games already use AI to increase framerates with NVIDIA's DLSS, and AMD's FSR. The Graphics card actually renders the game at a lowish resolution, and the AI upscales it to a higher resolution such as 4k, but keeps the framerates of the lower resolution.
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They can play them very fast. No humans will be needed to play video games in the future.
You can generate the entire game in it soon. Controlling the generated frames. Not just assets but the game itself in stable difffusion.
It's one of the disruptive things AI is about to do in just a few years
People be wasting time with crap like replika.ai lol they don't know about the future Skyrim GTP-4 wifeys
Tathanor t1_j69x8sk wrote
Besides infinite quest generation, the ability to debug and operate on a live server will progressively move away from human oversight.
We will literally be able to build fully functioning worlds that are self-sustaining with little human interactions. We'll be able to engage with those worlds and they'll be just as alive and evolving as the world we live in now.
...wait a second.