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BulletRazor t1_ja5az5s wrote

Of course people have been predicting doom forever. Because it’s a well known fact that all species go extinct.

is an undeniable fact that we are overpopulated. Humanity has needed 200,000 years to get from some 10,000 humans to 1 Billion in 1810. Then we needed just 210 years to get from 1 Billion to 8 Billion.

This massive population is consuming too much resources and causing too much pollution. If everyone lived like an American we would need 5 Earths. Even if everyone lived like the average citizen of Indonesia we would still need 1.1 Earths: How many Earths? How many countries? - Earth Overshoot Day (https://www.overshootday.org/how-many-earths-or-countries-do-we-need/)

The problem is that even if we lived like the average Indonesian we would still need to reduce our living standard/consumption even further because world population is still increasing, expected to hit 10 Billion by 2050.

To accomodate 10 Billion people - we would have to reduce our living standard to the level of medieval peasants.

Modern Agriculture in form of the Green Revolution was the only way how we could feed 7-8 Billion people - temporarily. Because the Green Revolution was and is based on cheap fossil fuels. These are running out. On top of having reached peak oil we have also reached peak water and peak farmland and peak artificial fertilizer.

The only way how we could somehow prevent or at least minimize the effects of this is to reduce the population. This in turn would cause less resource consumption, less agriculture, less fossil fuel consumption, less pollution, less everyting.

This is only possible when people accept that we are overpopulated, accept that its not bad pointing that out and accept that there are nonviolent ways to reduce the population. Because if we increase our numbers further - the future will indeed be dire with Billions of people starving and hundreds of millions dying from starvation.

Humanity made a Faustian bargain with fossil fuels to sidestep the resources avalable in finite ecosystems. Where formerly the planet could only sustain two billion people, industrial agriculture was able to expand the population to eight billion, and it continues to feed the global population.

Now we know that fossil fuels are poisoning the biosphere and causing climate change, but if we stop billions will starve. Fossil fuel civilization IS ending though, and we'll soon find ourselves back to relying on local ecosystems to feed many more billions than they ever did before. And this time we'll have to do this without artificial fertilizer or cheap methods of mechanized tillage, irrigation, harvest and global distribution.

No one does anything against the ultra rich and biggest companies who are responsible for 70%+ of pollution.

The switch to a more eco friendly lifestyle is embarrassingly slow in the general population.

We are sprinting towards the point of no return when it comes to climate change.

The Earth can’t even handle the current population getting a decent standard of living RIGHT NOW. It would take 1.1 Earths to give the global population in 2012 (about 7 billion people at the time, it’s over 8 billion now and counting) the same living standard as the average person in China in 2012, accounting for resource consumption, land use, carbon emissions, etc. According to the cofounder of the organization that provided the data for the graphic, this is a SIGNIFICANT UNDERESTIMATE since “there are aspects on which no good data exists that we don't include, so our demand on nature is larger” as he stated in the article.

For context, the average Chinese person made just a bit over $5.50 a day when the infographic was made AFTER adjusting for price differences between countries. That’s about $2000 per year.

The Earth CANNOT handle a population of 8+ billion people living a lifestyle where they make just over $2000/year, adjusted for price differences between countries. This standard of living is FAR below what any housed person in a developed country could endure, nevermind enjoy life in, no matter how hard you try to make it sustainable. There is no way to provide a pleasurable existence for the 8 billion people alive now, never mind the 10 billion or more projected to exist by 2100. It will only get worse as developing countries industrialize and consume more resources per capita as populations boom and resources (many of which are nonrenewable) dwindle, especially with climate change dramatically exacerbating things. The only moral solution is lower birth rates unless you want a global genocide, eternal poverty for most of the planet (as is happening now), or mass famine.

Then there are the horrific effects of climate change and resulting flooding, resource depletion, natural disasters, wars, immigration crises, etc. The climate crisis could displace 1.2 billion people by 2050 and its effects on the environment, water supply, and agriculture are already causing shortages even though we aren’t even close to the expected temperature increase, reaching net-zero emission targets yet (if ever), and the effects of emissions from the past 10 to 20 years hasn’t even kicked in yet.The second article also states that “some experts predict the earth will run out of topsoil within six decades.” If you thought the right wing backlash to the 2015 Syrian refugee crisis or Mexican immigration to the US that gave a global resurgence of the far right was bad, you haven’t seen anything yet. Not to mention, political crises and wars like the Arab Spring and the rise of terrorist organizations were exacerbated by rising food prices and water shortages caused by climate change.

But let’s say this is wrong and the planet can handle 11 billion or more people. Even then, there are still only a finite amount of resources available. As a result, those resources will be diverted away from the people who are already alive to the newborns. Why should everyone else accept reductions in their own quality of life so other people can have children?”

Anything short of the ENTIRE world deciding collectively overnight to abolish capitalism and live completely sustainable lifestyles (aka impossible) isn’t going to change the current situation much. And again, even then, resources are finite.

So the answer question of statement of “it seems like things are getting worse” it’s because it is. Do I think it’ll all fall within my lifetime? Absolutely not. These things are going to take time, but the condition of the Earth is certainly not going to get better. Although in the long run it doesn’t matter much because as much as we kill the Earth, all we’re doing is making it unsustainable for ourselves. The Earth will bounce back after we have obliterated it.

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