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CelebrationDirect209 OP t1_jacf3kn wrote
Europe is taking the lead in adapting Elon Musk’s innovative idea for freight transport with the Swiss Cargo Sous Terrain (CST) project.
The idea behind this solution is to create a faster, more efficient, and safer means of transport rather than the conventional one which produce carbon emissions. It has been described as a combination between an airplane and a train and is mainly intended for the transport of passengers.
The technology is under development and has not been commercially implemented. Several projects are in different stages of implementation and testing around the world but it will take several years before the system is fully functional and operational.
sanjsrik t1_jacfhcg wrote
Wait? A grifter and serial liar was proved he's useless on things he claims he can deliver?
greatdrams23 t1_jachovg wrote
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Road tunnel: a road underground. Typically travels the same speed as a road.
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Hyperloop: a vacuum tube that carries pods at 250 mph.
To claim that 1 is 2 is like claiming I've invented a time machine and give you a clock.
EconomicRegret t1_jacif0g wrote
In Switzerland, such projects and ideas have been around since the 1970s, e.g. Swiss Metro.
We do have our share of enlightened innovators too. However, our DNA ae a whole loves being technically conservative. That's why "Hyperloop" projects have never been given any priorities.
However, the cargo thing this article is talking about isn't exactly what one would call a "Hyperloop", actually very far from it. It's just a very slow subway for cargo, that gets anywhere in the country in less than 24 hours...
Source: am Swiss.
Quantumdrive95 t1_jaciob7 wrote
I dont think he ever said he would or could; iirc it was more about getting the engineering and science end of it worked on, getting proof of concept vehicles, and broadly getting the whole thing moving
Same with EVs and rockets, his plan as stated originally was to push the rest of the industry towards these things, doing it himself if need be, but relying on the inevitability of other major corporations and governments signing on to these ideas as well
And if anything this is validation for Elon, since the anti elon folks kept whining it was impossible or impractical
FuturologyBot t1_jacjvss wrote
The following submission statement was provided by /u/CelebrationDirect209:
Europe is taking the lead in adapting Elon Musk’s innovative idea for freight transport with the Swiss Cargo Sous Terrain (CST) project.
The idea behind this solution is to create a faster, more efficient, and safer means of transport rather than the conventional one which produce carbon emissions. It has been described as a combination between an airplane and a train and is mainly intended for the transport of passengers.
The technology is under development and has not been commercially implemented. Several projects are in different stages of implementation and testing around the world but it will take several years before the system is fully functional and operational.
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/11e5ebn/the_european_hyperloop_overtakes_elon_musks_500/jacf3kn/
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TrappedInASkinnerBox t1_jacv0co wrote
> Elon Musk’s innovative idea for freight transport
I wish people would stop spreading this myth. The original Hyperloop proposal is just a vacuum train. An idea that has existed for decades.
The "loop", or whatever they are calling the Teslas in a tunnel idea, is just a road tunnel. An idea that has existed for more than a century.
DonQuixBalls t1_jacys2t wrote
Gotta get them clicks though.
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Enzo-chan t1_jad63ex wrote
Not decades, the idea exist for over a century. It was just not feasible, sadly, the concept is so cool.
Zebrahead69 t1_jad6pl9 wrote
Can anyone who knows, explain what preventative measures are in place in case of earthquakes or tremors?
TrappedInASkinnerBox t1_jad7hv3 wrote
Yeah it sucks that tunnel boring is so expensive. But fully electric hypersonic transcontinental rail transport would be really cool.
Weltkaiser t1_jad8dwm wrote
Yeah, don't call our nice, functional, real(!) trains: "Hyperloop", that's an insult.
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BeerPoweredNonsense t1_jad8te6 wrote
>This appears to be a post about Elon Musk or one of his companies. Please keep discussion focused on the actual topic / technology and not praising / condemning Elon. Off topic flamewars will be removed and participants may be banned.
On my screen I'm seeing this AutoModerator message just above your little rant.
Lol.
sanjsrik t1_jadaeq1 wrote
I see auto-moderator posts on every single post. Sometimes the only post is an auto-moderator post.
Blakut t1_jadafb4 wrote
it's not validating him, since it's not a hyperloop.
trekxtrider t1_jadb3bf wrote
Old musketeer never wanted to really build his hyper loop, just didn’t want railroad to go in for high speed trains.
Rare-Birthday4527 t1_jadc695 wrote
It's ok everyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTpAn1Rqw9M
Flying vehicles will dominate transportation.
Snizl t1_jadhyht wrote
"that goes anywhere in the country in less than 24 hours" So about as fast as a cyclist. got it.
LakesAreFishToilets t1_jadif8y wrote
You very clearly didn’t read the article. Elon was talking about moving people 1,200km/hour. This is basically an underground conveyor belt which goes up to 30km/hour. The goals is to reduce road congestion by up to 40%. It’s completely different and in no way vindicates elons idea whatsoever
InGenAche t1_jadkb1p wrote
>Elon Musk’s innovative idea
Stopped reading here.
EconomicRegret t1_jadps52 wrote
Yeah. About 30 km/h.
Intelligence_Analyst t1_jadq9ur wrote
Still faster than Musky's.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jadwhf1 wrote
You can make do with railways. The mere thought of digging tunnels to connect cities is insane. A train works just fine.
A subway is a different story, but that is in the context of transporting people in a densely populated area at high volume.
SoyTrek t1_jae6a9z wrote
Is this really a hyperloop? I'm pretty sure the concept for a hyperloop was specifically freeways underground for battery-powered electric vehicles, but this seems to be specifically for unique cargo containers that are guided and propelled along an electromagnetic track, which makes it more like...a train or subway.
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mascachopo t1_jae9qr5 wrote
Came here to say this. Definitely not Musk’s idea.
InGenAche t1_jae9vvb wrote
He invented tunnels!
judos_ch t1_jae9y7r wrote
no it's just automated slow cargo only trains (30km/s). https://www.cst.ch/en/
mascachopo t1_jae9z4n wrote
And Twitter!
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judos_ch t1_jaeadfz wrote
None. We have very little and only very weak earthquakes. This concept also is solely for cargo. So no rules or safety measures for passengers required. https://www.cst.ch/en/ Also it's totally not hyperloop.
resistdrip t1_jaeazok wrote
A hyper loop will never be a thing. Ever. Just stop.
arjuna66671 t1_jaeblxh wrote
>before the end of this decade.
I am Swiss and I read that in the mid 90ties in some pop-science magazine already. As far as I know there are still no concrete plans for this. But mentioning Elmos hyperloop in the article as if it was a real thing already says it all. Don't forget guys, we'll be colonizing Mars "next year" lol.
Kopfballer t1_jaeeznp wrote
It is a great idea and all, but shouldn't we first use existing trains a lot more? There is so much untapped potential for much lower costs.
Hyperloops for passengers sound like a plan to replace domestic flights... which shouldn't exist in the first place. If you calculate in the time to get to the airport, security check, check-in, etc... it's faster to go by train in most cases, if train infrastructure became better, it would be even more in favor of rail.
So we don't have to replace domestic flights with hyperloops, just abolish them and use HSR?!
Actually I think the strength of Hyperloops could be freight transportation... iirc the Hamburg port wanted to build a prototype to ship containers from the port to outside the city very fast, which makes sense.
TheHiveminder t1_jaehp04 wrote
> I'm pretty sure the concept for a hyperloop was specifically freeways underground for battery-powered electric vehicles,
No, hyperloop is pods in an evacuated chamber. They go fwoosh like a drive up bank tube.
Bierculles t1_jaergxq wrote
This tech grift is still alive? Unbelievable that our government is wasting money on such obvious scams. Anyone who greenlit this in switzerland should be fired.
Bierculles t1_jaersm0 wrote
none because the people who are behind this know that this will never be actually built, or at least not on a meaningfull scale.
Bierculles t1_jaes5s8 wrote
Hyperloops are scams, they are complete nonsense as they are not something you can actually realisticly build. Our current technology isn't even close to be able to do this.
Bierculles t1_jaesaaj wrote
you do know this entire thing is one big grift?
blahblah98 t1_jaetwag wrote
Tunneling has gotten efficient & cheap, so it can be easier than laying track in cities. That requires the state to seize private property via eminent domain or some such -- extremely unpopular -- and build grade-level crossings (bridges, underpasses) for street traffic congestion & safety.
Second, anyone tunneling today, these could be converted to reduced-pressure hyperloop-like transit in future if/when the technology matures. No tight turns...
And the people freaking out about earthquakes - sheesh, tunnels have been built and operated for thousands of years since ancient times, for mid-speed rail for 100s of years, and high speed for over 60 years. And we haven't stopped tunneling. One can reasonably conclude earthquakes aren't a big deal for tunnels, regardless of the speed of travel. Assess damage, repair & move on...
colintbowers t1_jaey4l0 wrote
The Swiss already have a 27km loop tunnel that goes pretty fast...
Artanthos t1_jaezrlt wrote
You might dislike the man, but a lot of his technology and ideas are changing the world.
Burying your head in the sand and denying the technology and ideas is no different than being a flat Earther.
Artanthos t1_jaf1byp wrote
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop
> The Hyperloop, in the initial form proposed by Musk, differs from vactrains by relying on residual air pressure inside the tube to provide lift by aerofoils and propulsion by fans.
Earlier tube systems used pneumatics and had speeds closer to 60mph.
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muscletrain t1_jaf4drf wrote
Elon didn't come up with anything....the Hyperloop has been around for decades and there's reasons why it hasn't been put into fruition. Elon's hyperloop ramblings were just another way to dissuade actual high speed rail in California, because what does Elon sell? Cars.
It's criminal that North America has almost no high speed rail, look at what Spain accomplished in building out there high speed rail since 2005.
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