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L0rd0fThe0nionRings t1_j873gti wrote

Nothing is free, so someone would have to pay for all this, people who work and support themselves would be paying for people who don’t work and contribute to the system.

It’s not really a solvable problem, someone somewhere is losing

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NakedPlasticChicks t1_j879n63 wrote

Uh, no? It's a system we would pay into, yes, but it would be a system that works for all. There are people who can't work (elderly, disabled, etc.) and they deserve access to those systems, even if they're not able to directly contribute to them. These services would also help the working people by not stripping us of every cent we make. I would be totally willing to pay more taxes if it meant I never had to pay for another doctor visit or medicine again. I would also want my taxes going into systems that I may not need but others do. It's called being a basic human being. You should try it sometime.

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AdeptusDakkatist t1_j87b0tx wrote

There has never been a system that works for all. If such a system was proposed, it would be contorted until it was unrecognizable within a decade. Europe can only afford that level of care because of A) overseas economic colonialism and B) having their entire defense budget subsided by the US.

If the US stopped subsidizing Europe, they would never be able to afford universal healthcare, but the US might.

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NakedPlasticChicks t1_j87bu7q wrote

.....The U.S. is the richest country in the world. Try again.

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AdeptusDakkatist t1_j87c7h3 wrote

Okay, second try:

My first point. Such a system is only possible in a world of saints. In our world the system would, in the end, only abuse those most in need, and in all likelihood just lead to corruption. Greed is a powerful thing, and it festers when there's that much money being gathered and redistributed.

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NakedPlasticChicks t1_j87h5mo wrote

And the system we have now works perfectly well, right, and isn't currently abusing poor people? lol okay. The point is, the U.S. is capable of implementing a system that benefits everyone. We're already corrupt by greedy people and corporations.

The U.S. is literally the only developed nation in the world that doesn't have a universal healthcare system. No, it doesn't take saints to make it work.

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AdeptusDakkatist t1_j87hcuh wrote

The system we have now is trash. I'm of the (admittedly nihilistic) opinion that nothing that replaces it will be materially better.

I want universal healthcare as much as the next 20 something. I just don't agree that the US is capable of it.

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NakedPlasticChicks t1_j87i0bv wrote

It's absolutely capable of it, but okay. We know how to do it, but until politicians are unable to be bribed and corporations aren't worshipped, no, we won't get anywhere. I have some faith that as Gen Zs come into the world of politics, we could see some shifts.

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AdeptusDakkatist t1_j87i563 wrote

I admire your optimism. I hope you're right. I hope I'm wrong.

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NakedPlasticChicks t1_j87icc6 wrote

But I totally understand. This country sucks. I'm sorry if my responses were a bit snarky.

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AdeptusDakkatist t1_j87jzdo wrote

Don't be. I'm a little too pessimistic myself, and on some level the snark reminds me that this is just Reddit, and we're just normal people throwing our ideas around. Sorry for my attitude, and safe travels in cyberspace.

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L0rd0fThe0nionRings t1_j88i324 wrote

I simply provided my opinion and your first course of action was to insult my character and say I’m not a decent human blah blah blah.

You didn’t refute my point of how someone somewhere would be footing the bill so someone else can get free shit, that is not a sustainable system and would obviously be abused

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NakedPlasticChicks t1_j88iw0u wrote

I like how you're worried about people abusing a system but not the billionaires getting free rides and money off of exploitation and giving money to our politicians so they can essentially make the rules. I don't give a shit about poor people cheating and abusing a system, to be honest with you. I don't really know how someone can abuse a system that's providing free healthcare, education, and other needed resources, though? lol explain that to me.

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L0rd0fThe0nionRings t1_j88ic6k wrote

If you want to pay more taxes and have all of these things why not move to a country that does this and see if it works for you?

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NakedPlasticChicks t1_j88j0ab wrote

Are you gonna pay my moving expenses? If so, I'd be happy to. You're regurgitating the same shit my hardcore Republican parents spew. lmfao

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L0rd0fThe0nionRings t1_j88vpsw wrote

Maybe you should listen to them, they sound more sensible than you.

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NakedPlasticChicks t1_j88w991 wrote

Yeeeeeeah. Republicans are known to not be of high intelligence, so no thanks. Republicans are not sensible people. They're pathetic, which explains your dumbass comments.

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