Iffykindofguy t1_j8z7u7v wrote
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So many assumptions Im about done with you.
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a) Capitalism does not focus on the environment, some companies claim to but you'll notice nothing has been done to curb fossil fuel companies for example. Capitalism only focuses on growth at all costs because that's the way the system was designed.
B) I never said anything about market socialism and there are more than two types of economic situation so again, silly assumptions wasting our time
C) No, they wouldn't because they wouldn't have the shareholders unreasonably expecting growth at all costs so they can live the American dream.
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Its capitalism because capitalism is the thing that demands growth at all costs.
Gagarin1961 t1_j8zaexx wrote
> Capitalism does not focus on the environment, some companies claim to but you’ll notice nothing has been done to curb fossil fuel companies
A lot has been done, of all the new energy capacity the world is adding, 90% of it is renewable energy.
The downfall of fossil fuels is right around the corner. We’ve been working decades and the markets have finally won the battle to beat fossil fuel on pricing.
Things aren’t black and white, a lot of people are trying to make is feel that way, don’t buy into it.
> I never said anything about market socialism and there are more than two types of economic situation so again, silly assumptions wasint gour time
Well now I’m getting consumed with what ideology you do support.
I’m not sure why you aren’t defending it.
Your claim is that capitalism is the problem, so therefore market socialism should be a fairly valid solution under that premise, right?
> No, they wouldn’t because they wouldn’t have the shareholders unreasonably expecting growth at all costs so they can live the American dream.
Shareholders are just owners of the company.
Workers would be the new owners of these companies.
They would feel the exact same way as the shareholders because they would be in the exact same situation.
> Its capitalism because capitalism is the thing that demands growth at all costs.
People within every other ideology would aim for growth equally, unless specifically defined as being against it. That means capitalism isn’t the issue, as practically all forms of socialism, communism, etc, will have the same problems.
It’s like saying “We can fix our drug problem if we switch to eating healthier!”
Iffykindofguy t1_j8zconl wrote
Yes things have been done as weve progressed, the bare minimum. Many of those things have been delayed for years or decades by interested groups in capitalism. Things arent white or black youre right.
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A form of socialism is probably the answer. I don't know, Im not an economist. I only know that capitalism is the cause currently.
Workers would not demand growth at all cost if that growth came at the cut of their jobs. Look to the games industry's recent success to see that doesn't go the opposite way. All fantasy. You are all fantasy lol.
Gagarin1961 t1_j8zf35d wrote
> Many of those things have been delayed for years or decades by interested groups in capitalism.
What do you think the workers is a fossil fuel company would do under a socialist economy?
> A form of socialism is probably the answer.
Just one?
“It’s capitalism” Is getting really ridiculous when you actually mean “It’s capitalism, market socialism, state socialism, etc.”
Kind of has a completely different meaning. It implies the problem is actually something shared between them.
> Workers would not demand growth at all cost if that growth came at the cut of their jobs.
Why would it come at the cost of their jobs? Demanding growth will secure their jobs and company.
>Look to the games industry’s recent success to see that doesn’t go the opposite way. All fantasy. You are all fantasy lol.
I don’t understand your point.
Iffykindofguy t1_j8zg09i wrote
I think they would invest in research and switch to green energy instead of spending 30 years lying to the public about it.
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Your second point is literal nonsense.
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I know you don't understand my point. Its clear you don't understand a lot of whats being said here. I gave you all the clues you need, I told you where to go for record profits and still workers getting the axe. You live in a fantasy.
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Hope you have a good weekend.
Gagarin1961 t1_j8zgyhl wrote
> I think they would invest in research and switch to green energy instead of spending 30 years lying to the public about it.
Green energy doesn’t require nearly as many workers. Why would they vote for that?
They are the owners of the company. If the current owners wanted to lie, why wouldn’t they? They’re the owners too.
Workers aren’t “inherently better people” or something. They’re just like billionaires and billionaires are just like them.
> Your second point is literal nonsense.
How so?
> I know you don’t understand my point. Its clear you don’t understand a lot of whats being said here. I gave you all the clues you need, I told you where to go for record profits and still workers getting the axe. You live in a fantasy.
No, no I understand your overall point. It was that specific sentence that wasn’t communicated well enough. What were you trying to say about video game companies?
Iffykindofguy t1_j8zipnt wrote
We passed there being more jobs in "Green" energy than fossil fuels back in 2017 in the us.
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GG you're just showing that you're not only constantly requiring assumptions for your arguments to be expressed, you're now just a flat-out liar.
Gagarin1961 t1_j8zl0gm wrote
> We passed there being more jobs in “Green” energy than fossil fuels back in 2017 in the us.
So capitalism is making change! That sounds much more than “nothing,” huh?
> GG you’re just showing that you’re not only constantly requiring assumptions for your arguments to be expressed you’re now just a flat-out liar.
You’re the one who said capitalism only focuses on growth and can’t address climate change.
So far it looks like capitalism can address climate change, and that the problem isn’t inherent in property rights.
Iffykindofguy t1_j8znmwq wrote
As already stated, those jobs are 30 years too late. Again, you're just so confused its hard to have a conversation so now I will say goodnight and mean it. Have a good one!
rob_burnley t1_j91sd7u wrote
jeez! you two :D
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